How do we know Gruden could recruit at the level he would need to?

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JD05 said:
There is no guarantee that he can get the job done but there is one position that we would get the best player in the country year after year. QB. His QB analysis show he does is pretty good to watch that would draw instant badass QB's to town.
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I just don't see that. Those guys seem uncomfortable & Gruden just seems to enjoy hearing himself talk. Awkward bit.
 
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Lexvol said:
Oh...I will personally guarantee they (no matter who is hired) will be better than what we have.
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There is no guarantee. I do believe there are ones that could do better but I don't believe there is a guarantee at all.
 
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TXVol_44 said:
The point was that you infer that Gruden is not a winner due to his NFL record. Nick Saban was 15-17 in two years. So...what is YOUR point, sir?
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My point is success in one doesn't mean success in the other. Gruden has never been a college head coach. He's a winner because he won a Super Bowl his first year & got worse? The team he left went to that same Super Bowl.
 
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footballref said:
I think we are more on the same page than you may think. I am not sure he would have any interest in walking away from MNF. It has to be one of the best gigs in football and the travel is nothing compared to what he would have to do in college. The pressure is also nothing compared to what this fan base would put on him from day 1.
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I know he has said that he is getting the itch and wants to coach again. He also said IF he went the college route it would likely be TN.

It would be a grand slam home run if Hart could get Gruden. Actually, I know Hart can Gruden, it's really a matter of if the boosters are willing to pay what it will take to get Gruden.
 
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Of course there are no "guarantees" with our new hire. Good grief, is that what this has come down to? A "guarantee" of winning? You make decisions in life based on the best information you have. Gruden has a record as a solid NFL coach, a Super Bowl championship, and the intensity that our program DESPERATELY needs right now.
 
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JD05 said:
There is no guarantee that he can get the job done but there is one position that we would get the best player in the country year after year. QB. His QB analysis show he does is pretty good to watch that would draw instant badass QB's to town.
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Gruden is VERY tough on his QBs.
 
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TXVol_44 said:
Of course there are no "guarantees" with our new hire. Good grief, is that what this has come down to? A "guarantee" of winning? You make decisions in life based on the best information you have. Gruden has a record as a solid NFL coach, a Super Bowl championship, and the intensity that our program DESPERATELY needs right now.
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So Gene Chizik is a winner? Just curious. He has a national championship.
 
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govols/cc said:
My point is success in one doesn't mean success in the other. Gruden has never been a college head coach. He's a winner because he won a Super Bowl his first year & got worse? The team he left went to that same Super Bowl.
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So...you're saying no to Gruden because he's never been a head coach on the college level and because he basically got 2 teams to the Super Bowl. Gotcha.
 
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govols/cc said:
I just don't see that. Those guys seem uncomfortable & Gruden just seems to enjoy hearing himself talk. Awkward bit.
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You could be correct but at least he sounds intelligent about the QB position. Our current QB needs to spend a friggin month with him. Maybe longer.
 
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Just my opinion, but I believe ticket sales would go thru the roof if Gruden was next HC. All our fans are wanting a proven winner.
 
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TXVol_44 said:
So...you're saying no to Gruden because he's never been a head coach on the college level and because he basically got 2 teams to the Super Bowl. Gotcha.
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Lol 2 teams? He LEFT Oakland & they went. His first year at Tampa he won & got worse after. Hard to say he's a winner with not much better than a .500 record. Why did he get worse after his initial, first year Super Bowl win & never even get back? Why did Oakland go after he left? It's not college where he recruited a stable for the next coach.
 
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govols/cc said:
Lol 2 teams? He LEFT Oakland & they went. His first year at Tampa he won & got worse after. Hard to say he's a winner with not much better than a .500 record. Why did he get worse after his initial, first year Super Bowl win & never even get back? Why did Oakland go after he left? It's not college where he recruited a stable for the next coach.
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I can see you're a "glass is half empty" guy.
 
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TXVol_44 said:
Please stop now before this gets worse. You mentioned Chizik, not me. Are you honestly comparing the two men as football coaches?
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You're calling a dude a proven winner that won 1 Super Bowl his first year that barely had a .500 record for his career & never been a head coach in college.
 
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govols/cc said:
Because I'm not on the Gruden wagon?
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Gruden had 6 winning seasons, 3 losing seasons, and 2 .500 seasons, sir. I'm not sure why you call our need for a new head football coach with a proven record of winning "being on a wagon". Do you have another suggestion? If so, whom?
 
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TXVol_44 said:
Gruden had 6 winning seasons, 3 losing seasons, and 2 .500 seasons, sir. I'm not sure why you call our need for a new head football coach with a proven record of winning "being on a wagon". Do you have another suggestion? If so, whom?
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Why are you calling him a proven winner? Never coached a college game. Who knows if he can actually recruit. Maybe he can come in & win his first year & go 2-10 in his 3rd.
 
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govols/cc said:
Why are you calling him a proven winner? Never coached a college game. Who knows if he can actually recruit. Maybe he can come in & win his first year & go 2-10 in his 3rd.[/QUOTE

I'm not going to waste more time showing the data to you because you choose to ignore it. If you choose not to support the idea of Jon Gruden as our next head football coach because he "...hasn't coached on the college level"....that's fine. Who do you like and why? You never answered that question. You're just a "NO" voice in a world starving for YES answers. You look foolish saying someone's not a proven winner when he obviously is one. The data and record speaks for itself. If you have your way, Auburn will hire him and we'll lose to them next Fall....AGAIN.
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HoundDog4954 said:
Fat man Charlie doesn't get that crazy look in his eyes when he talks about football. When chukie came out on in homes, recruits would be afraid to say no.
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And you think they're not with Saban, Miles, Spurrier, Muschamp, and others? I think it may even the playing field for us.
 
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BillBattlevol said:
Just my opinion, but I believe ticket sales would go thru the roof if Gruden was next HC. All our fans are wanting a proven winner.
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For one or two seasons. Without on the field results it doesn't matter who the coach is fans are not going watch a bad product long term.
 
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