Coach Martin vs. Coach Dooley (merged)

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sjt18 said:
So you do not need player leadership in college football? I see. Maybe one of you guys can help me by pointing out the last great team with virtually no talent or leadership in their Jr and Sr classes.
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Yes. But when you don't have it, the coach needs to show his leadership more, and he didn't.
 
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zjcvols said:
Yes. But when you don't have it, the coach needs to show his leadership more, and he didn't.
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Exactly. Not that what I say matters, but you have brought an insane amount of great posts on matters today.

Now prepare yourself for a thesis length response to your post telling you why you are wrong and the other guy is always right......happens every time.
 
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zjcvols said:
Easy. Bad basketball losses aren't anywhere near as serious as bad football losses, and the team sucked. They didn't flat out quit like the football team.

30 regular season games>12 regular season games. More room for error.
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The austin peay loss is on the same level as the UK loss. The basketball team doesn't quit and have heart which is something you can't say about the football team, but the basketball team didn't have any huge blows like losing Hunter and Bray. I wonder how the team would have responded if we would have lost Maymon.

The defense never quit, the played their hearts out during the stretches without Bray. It had to be tough for them knowing we weren't going to score more than 7 points a game.
 
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JayVols said:
Exactly. Not that what I say matters, but you have brought an insane amount of great posts on matters today.

Now prepare yourself for a thesis length response to your post telling you why you are wrong and the other guy is always right......happens every time.
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You guys can tell us when we're wrong, but we can't do the same?
 
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zjcvols said:
Yes. But when you don't have it, the coach needs to show his leadership more, and he didn't.
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Player leadership is more important than coach leadership IMO. The players are together 24/7 on and off the field and a leader on the field and in the huddle would have made a huge difference. It was the most underrated trait of Nick Reviez.
 
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brandonco05 said:
You guys can tell us when we're wrong, but we can't do the same?
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Not at all. It was a joke meant for one person. A joking tone is hard to present on a message board. Voice your opinion. It's what a message board is for.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
It's not a straw man at all. You're to dumb to understand and to continue with you is a waste of time.
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It's obvious st needs noone to debate for him, but resorting to logical falacy is another way to admit your point has no merit on its own...
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
What game were you watching? Vandy handed us that game. They were extremely unlucky between the penalty on the FG attempt and the dirty clip a mile away from a play that would have led to a TD.

At least 14 points of stupidity on those 2 plays.
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Your point being?
 
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i agree about martin. this team competes hard and plays better in the second half than the first. our football team is just the opposite. maybe next year will be different. it better be or we'll be talking about a different coach
 
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chattavol420 said:
i agree about martin. this team competes hard and plays better in the second half than the first. our football team is just the opposite. maybe next year will be different. it better be or we'll be talking about a different coach
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I agree, however we lost our best player at UF, then our second best player 2 weeks later.

It would be like Martin having to endure not having Stokes this year, then losing Maymon and then the next week losing Golden or McCrae, etc.

It's tough to overcome when things like that happen, especially when you have a young team. With that being said I don't think Dooley did a very good job last year but I am encouraged that he seems to have realized his errors as Hubbs and others have said that he has apologized to the team and is taking more accountability in his failings last year.

Everybody freaked with all the coaches leaving however I think it is a good thing. The ones Dooley replaced, it showed he wasn't happy with the status quo or just having staff continuity which was part of Fulmer's downfall but that he is willing to make changes.

We'll see what happens.
 
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KPT_VOL said:
His point was Vandy's mistakes leading to our advantage play to his argument but our mistakes leading to Vandy's advantage do not.
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I just don't understand the "it took OT to beat Vandy" so Dooley sucks when our 2007 team blew a 17 pt in the last 10 minutes and had to go to 5 OT's to beat KY, not to mention the unreal lucky in having Vandy miss a makeable FG the week before then completely lucking out to beat USCjr a few weeks before that.
 
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Bigun said:
I just don't understand the "it took OT to beat Vandy" so Dooley sucks when our 2007 team blew a 17 pt in the last 10 minutes and had to go to 5 OT's to beat KY, not to mention the unreal lucky in having Vandy miss a makeable FG the week before then completely lucking out to beat USCjr a few weeks before that.
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I tend to forget how well forums convey sarcasm. I was agreeing with you.
 
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everybody relax, dooley will get it done if given the time. he was left with a mess. he is going about rebuilding the right way. see mike gundy.
 
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KPT_VOL said:
I tend to forget how well forums convey sarcasm. I was agreeing with you.
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LOL. Sorry it came across that way because I understand what you were saying. My post was directed more toward the lep's that started the thread.
 
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we have what, 2 guys at the combine. that ought to tell u the state of the program. 2 guys on the whole damn team with a chance of getting drafted. remember the days of 8 guys in the draft and 2 first round picks?
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
The austin peay loss is on the same level as the UK loss. The basketball team doesn't quit and have heart which is something you can't say about the football team, but the basketball team didn't have any huge blows like losing Hunter and Bray. I wonder how the team would have responded if we would have lost Maymon.

The defense never quit, the played their hearts out during the stretches without Bray. It had to be tough for them knowing we weren't going to score more than 7 points a game.
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Okay, I need to say something here.

Losing Bray sucked. Hard. I'm not denying that. But with basketball, you got only 12-13 players. It's not the same. You got plenty of players that can help step up. You lost your best player, it's a completely different animal. Yeah, losing Hunter sucked. We shouldn't be saying at the end of the season "Oh, this season was lost when Hunter got hurt." Alabama lost Dont'a Hightower for 2009. Did that hold them back? Hell no. They nutted up and played ball. Saban's team was able to overcome adversity, while Dooley's team folded.
 
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These are the same guys *****ing about hiring Martin , saying it was another failed Hamilton hire

Ready to burn down TBA because we didnt spend
6 trillion a year on a "proven" winner

Now they bring this BS in to try and justify why they should fire Dooley

WTF?
 
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CountVolcula said:
These are the same guys *****ing about hiring Martin , saying it was another failed Hamilton hire

Ready to burn down TBA because we didnt spend
6 trillion a year on a "proven" winner

Now they bring this BS in to try and justify why they should fire Dooley

WTF?
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Don't know about others, but I've been on the Martin train since day 1.
 
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zjcvols said:
Okay, I need to say something here.

Losing Bray sucked. Hard. I'm not denying that. But with basketball, you got only 12-13 players. It's not the same. You got plenty of players that can help step up. You lost your best player, it's a completely different animal. Yeah, losing Hunter sucked. We shouldn't be saying at the end of the season "Oh, this season was lost when Hunter got hurt." Alabama lost Dont'a Hightower for 2009. Did that hold them back? Hell no. They nutted up and played ball. Saban's team was able to overcome adversity, while Dooley's team folded.
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Bama wasn't near as depleted as we were at the time. You would need to compare losing Hightower plus 3 more of whoever their best players were, then also put them against the type of competition we played. The combined record of the teams we played against in the West was 35-4 and two of those played in the NC game.
 
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