Coach Martin vs. Coach Dooley (merged)

Just to put some "reality" back into this conversation. UT's bb team has beaten ONE SEC team in the upper half of the conference. The OOC wins that inflate their record even more are against the likes of UNCA and The Citadel. UT's SOS is 33rd nationally... and not even close to that the football team faced in either of the last two years.

A "good" middling or even worse bb team in a BCS conference should have a winning record. I am glad that Martin is doing well. I am even more glad that the usual negative "fans" are buffaloed into believing it is better than it actually is... but again there is NO correlation between the two situations.

Want to make that comparison? Find another BCS football program that suffered three consecutive busted recruiting classes that played in the most dominant conference depending mostly on underclassmen while playing the most difficult schedule in the country that impresses you. Use them instead.
 
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Hard to compare coaches from different sports.

Though I think you guys misconstrued his point.

He's saying we have a coach in basketball that has improved the team impressively throughout the year, and has done a good job with individual improvement of players, while Dooley, not so much. Coach Martin has a chance to take a team that was predicted to suck, and has led them to a pretty decent team, while Dooley has taken a team predicted to suck, and led them to suck, and then this year suck worse than expected (although not all of that was his fault with injuries and defections).

You are blowing this way out of proportion.

Ok DD worshipers. Read this post and let it sink in.
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BTW, the SEC is not close to the top BB conference. It is the best FB conference by a relatively wide margin.
 
Just to put some "reality" back into this conversation. UT's bb team has beaten ONE SEC team in the upper half of the conference. The OOC wins that inflate their record even more are against the likes of UNCA and The Citadel. UT's SOS is 33rd nationally... and not even close to that the football team faced in either of the last two years.

A "good" middling or even worse bb team in a BCS conference should have a winning record. I am glad that Martin is doing well. I am even more glad that the usual negative "fans" are buffaloed into believing it is better than it actually is... but again there is NO correlation between the two situations.

Want to make that comparison? Find another BCS football program that suffered three consecutive busted recruiting classes that played in the most dominant conference depending mostly on underclassmen while playing the most difficult schedule in the country that impresses you. Use them instead.

You're right man. DD is the greatest coach of all time. I'm stunned he hasn't been hired away. Why don't you start a "build a DD statue" website and start the campaign.
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You're right man. DD is the greatest coach of all time. I'm stunned he hasn't been hired away. Why don't you start a "build a DD statue" website and start the campaign.
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Did he say DD was the greatest coach of all time? He had a pretty solid post that completely destroyed your argument, and you get your undies in a wad and put words in his mouth. Come on man.
 
You're right man. DD is the greatest coach of all time. I'm stunned he hasn't been hired away. Why don't you start a "build a DD statue" website and start the campaign.
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Show me one quote, just ONE, on this message board that said DD is the greatest coach of all time and deserved a statue.
 
Hard to compare coaches from different sports.
Not hard. Impossible.

Though I think you guys misconstrued his point.
No. Not really. Same as every other "point" he makes here.

He's saying we have a coach in basketball that has improved the team impressively throughout the year, and has done a good job with individual improvement of players, while Dooley, not so much.
Martin has a staff of 4 coaching 12 guys. Dooley has a staff of 9 coaching about 100 guys. Dooley had a team made up almost completely of underclassmen playing teams made up largely of upperclassmen in the strongest conference in CFB. Martin has a few quality upperclassmen playing in a middle of the road large conference in a game that lends itself to success for young players.

Coach Martin has a chance to take a team that was predicted to suck, and has led them to a pretty decent team, while Dooley has taken a team predicted to suck, and led them to suck, and then this year suck worse than expected (although not all of that was his fault with injuries and defections).

You are blowing this way out of proportion.

No. Not really. VolBeef88 is grinding his axe again. He isn't making the benign point you are trying to turn it into. He's not into "he stinks now but I'm willing to see how it turns out". He has decided that Dooley will and ... and to preserve his ego... MUST fail therefore Martin's success MUST say something about Dooley.

It obviously says absolutely nothing about Dooley... but that's an unbiased voice. To VolBeef88 it is just one more "proof" that DD is a terrible coach that Martin in a completely different situation and sport is experiencing success.

This is hardly the first non sequitur argument he's attempted.
 
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You're right man. DD is the greatest coach of all time. I'm stunned he hasn't been hired away. Why don't you start a "build a DD statue" website and start the campaign.
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Sure sign of a failed pov is when you start depending on straw men to make your argument.

FTR:
- I have said I like Dooley and find him funny
- I have said I hope he succeeds
- I have said that he's done a very good recruiting job considering the circumstances
- I have never said he was a good much less great football coach
- I have said that his chances of keeping the job were under 50% because of the hole he started in regardless of what kind of football coach he is.

So thank you. Your use of dishonest strawmen is an effective admission of defeat... that you have no real merit in the arguments you are trying to make.
 
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This pretty much sums up the entire thread.

It's near impossible to compare b/c 1-2 recruits can ultimately be the tipping point for a basketball program, whereas in football is takes 1-2 entire classes.

I get what the OP is saying....Martin has done more with less, but the sports are incomparable.

Look at the effect 1 player can have on a basketball team. Recruit the right 5 guys and you are rebuilt.
 
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Sure sign of a failed pov is when you start depending on straw men to make your argument.

FTR:
- I have said I like Dooley and find him funny
- I have said I hope he succeeds
- I have said that he's done a very good recruiting job considering the circumstances
- I have never said he was a good much less great football coach
- I have said that his chances of keeping the job were under 50% because of the hole he started in regardless of what kind of football coach he is.

So thank you. Your use of dishonest strawmen is an effective admission of defeat... that you have no real merit in the arguments you are trying to make.

It's not a straw man at all. You're to dumb to understand and to continue with you is a waste of time.
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Yes. The epitome of immaturity. It's like sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming lalalalalala. It's so sad it's hilarious that grown azz people act that way. If you want to ignore a poster, do it. The world doesn't have know it. Smh. It's like grade school all over again.

Kinda like running next door to tell Jane that June is talking about her. So high school.
 
If you want to see what a good coach does all you have to do is look at our basketball coach. The team he coaches gets better as the year goes on. Dooley and his worshipers just make excuses.
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Yah but the vols bball team has contributing seniors.... oh wait... nm.

That is a rule around these parts... not senior leaders ... not dooleys fault.
 
Yah but the vols bball team has contributing seniors.... oh wait... nm.

That is a rule around these parts... not senior leaders ... not dooleys fault.

Is basketball the same as football?

I could have swore the best team in college basketball is full of 18 year olds.

Name a college football team like that?
 
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Well, it's a fact that dooley has not proven himself yet and martin has. I know football is different than basketball but so far I don't see how you can deny this. A year from now we will know if this thread is true.
 
Well, it's a fact that dooley has not proven himself and martin has. I know football is different than basketball but so far I don't see how you can deny this.

Name the last time a top SEC school has been upset in football?

UK is the best team in the country using freshmen in bball, name on football team that could survive starting over 75% freshmen.

Football takes a lot longer to rebuild than basketball.
 
If you want to see what a good coach does all you have to do is look at our basketball coach. The team he coaches gets better as the year goes on. Dooley and his worshipers just make excuses.
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How do you explain Austin Peay?That is very comparable to the Kentucky game.

Easy. Bad basketball losses aren't anywhere near as serious as bad football losses, and the team sucked. They didn't flat out quit like the football team.

30 regular season games>12 regular season games. More room for error.
 
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