Coach Martin vs. Coach Dooley (merged)

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zjcvols said:
I'm not denying the differences of the sport. It's not a great comparison, that's correct. But I do feel like if Dooley had good leadership qualities, we'd see them. A good leader doesn't let Da'Rick do whatever he wants. A good leader doesn't have his team completely lay down at Fayetteville in embarrassing fashion that I couldn't stand to watch it. A good leader doesn't let his seniors have such a negative influence. A good leader doesn't let Kentucky happen, then try to justify it by saying "Well, we probably needed this."

JMO.
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King Webbsticles said:
Dooley has had plenty of opportunities to show how good of a leader he is. You don't have to have a great team or go undefeated to be a good leader. In fact, it could be argued that signs of great leadership present themselves more when times are hard.
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Good points from both of you. :hi: These are the kinds of conversations/discussions I enjoy having on here. Not claw & scratch fights with VolBeef.

And zjc, keep up the good work on the post-game synopses. They're appreciated.
 
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otis72 said:
Dooley is the product of another failed mike hamilton hire.Ohio state didnt go hire middle tennessee state football coach they went out and got proven winner.we got what we payed for, milwaukee's best,and we should have payed for michelob light.:toast:
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There is some truth to this. We bought a 1.8 million dollar coach and they paid about 4 Million, yet we expect the same results.:crazy:
 
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otis72 said:
Dooley is the product of another failed mike hamilton hire.Ohio state didnt go hire middle tennessee state football coach they went out and got proven winner.we got what we payed for, milwaukee's best,and we should have payed for michelob light.:toast:
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Raleigh really was his only bad hire. He was big in getting Pearl, Cuonzo, and Serrano here. I loved the Kiffin hire, but it blew up in his face because the impossible (all the coaches turning down USC) happened. Jury is still out on Dooley. And comparing the Ohio St. situation to the UT situation after Kiffin left is dumb on many levels.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
If you want to see what a good coach does all you have to do is look at our basketball coach. The team he coaches gets better as the year goes on. Dooley and his worshipers just make excuses.
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I guess if we played 20 football games every year we'd probably improve a little too...
 
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tvols75 said:
Ummm like when we were about to score and Bray threw an INT that went about 100 yds for a 10-14 pt. turn around. Or when the DB dropped an INT from Rogers inside their own 30 that would've went for a score. Don't fool yourself. This thread is like so many others, and the answer is the same as it has always been. Dooley has this year to prove what he is as a coach, and unless there is somehow a repeat of the injuries and then some we will have an answer on Dooley as a coach. There was no excuse for Kentucky just like there was no excuse for Louisiana Monroe for Saban. At the end of the day, when you go into the SEC with a water pistol when most of the teams you are facing have AK-47s then it's going to be ugly. This is the first year where we are actually bring a real gun.
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You're comparing penalty mistakes to dumbass and or injury related bad throws by Bray? Doesn't work that way, bro.

FYI - Rodgers threw the ball to our team j
As well chief. Vandy dominated us but found a way to lose between that debatable Penalty on the FG and the dumb clipping penalty.

As for you other **** you posted, that has nothing to do with what I was addressing.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
You're comparing penalty mistakes to dumbass and or injury related bad throws by Bray? Doesn't work that way, bro.

FYI - Rodgers threw the ball to our team j
As well chief. Vandy dominated us but found a way to lose between that debatable Penalty on the FG and the dumb clipping penalty.

As for you other **** you posted, that has nothing to do with what I was addressing.
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Yes, I'm comparing the two. The game works both ways. They committed the moronic penalties, we failed to capitalize. Both are part of football, and we won. We had less turnovers, a little more total yards, and TOP was the same. Nothing backs up the "Vandy dominated" theory outside of your idiocy. And as a side note, take a deep breath before posting.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I think you may have misunderstood my post.
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Highly likely. There are some diamonds in the rough, however. He has this year to prove whether he is or not. Many variables over the last few seasons make it impossible to say whether its the coach or not.
 
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tvols75 said:
Yes, I'm comparing the two. The game works both ways. They committed the moronic penalties, we failed to capitalize. Both are part of football, and we won. We had less turnovers, a little more total yards, and TOP was the same. Nothing backs up the "Vandy dominated" theory outside of your idiocy. And as a side note, take a deep breath before posting.
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So why not compare brays interceptions to Rodgers then? Because that is what a logical person would do. They were worse in the TO department added to those penalties.

You're certifiably insane if you don't think Vandy choked that game away, sorry.

More turnovers and two penalties that cost them 14 points only backs that up further.
 
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otis72 said:
we were real close to 4 wins last year,closer than i have ever seen,i guess thats my point.
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Otis, You can use that same logic to say we almost won 7 games. If Neil catches the snap at Kentucky, we score. Then go to a small bowl and win the 7th game.

Grab another brew....don't cost nuthin'

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Cheese Donkey said:
Tell me which $4 Million coach would have come here? I can remember several that said no thanks.
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This is a point many of our fans don't get at all.


The only big name hire I've seen in my lifetime at UT was the Johnny Majors hire. Doug Dickey wasn't a household name. Bill Battle sure wasn't and Phillip Fulmer wasn't. The Kiffin hire was the highest profile hire since Majors. Dickey, Majors, Kiffin and Dooley all stepped into messes. Some worse than others, but certainly not ideal situations. Battle and Fulmer stepped into dream situations yet both left messes.

I would have liked to seen what Dooley could have done had the program been loaded like it was when both Bill Battle and Phillip Fulmer came in as head coaches
 
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otis72 said:
Dooley is the product of another failed mike hamilton hire.Ohio state didnt go hire middle tennessee state football coach they went out and got proven winner.we got what we payed for, milwaukee's best,and we should have payed for michelob light.:toast:
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Didn't realize Michelob Light was a top flight beer. Nice try at an analogy though.
 
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zjcvols said:
I feel, personally, when things got really bad for both coaches, we saw how the teams responded. We both had bad losses (42 by Arkansas, to Austin Peay) and we saw what happened. The basketball team bought into the coach, overcome some suckage, and became better. The football team laid down. I'll get shot for this, but I don't think Dooley is a good leader. Other than LSU in 2010, how many times was the team truly inspired? Not very much.
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The camparison's if we are going to make them need to be equal IMO. Take the AP loss and take out Maymon for the year (Hunter as relate to the football team) and Golden (Bray) and how does Martin's team do in the SEC? Wiith those comparison I am pretty certain we aren't having the discusson.
 
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zjcvols said:
Exactly.

When times got rough after the Hunter injury, the team quit for the first half and couldn't recover. That's on the coaching staff. Just another example.
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So you do not need player leadership in college football? I see. Maybe one of you guys can help me by pointing out the last great team with virtually no talent or leadership in their Jr and Sr classes.
 
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