Coach Martin vs. Coach Dooley (merged)

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Bassmanbruno said:
Volbeef has been a long time contributor to this board and is a lot more respected than anyone posting in this thread - he's definitely not a troll even if you guys can't stand him and his feelings about Dooley.
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Bassmanbruno = VolBeef88 2nd volnation account
 
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VolMaster14 said:
Why should I do a search you ***hole?? You're the one bringing it up and saying absolutely 100% he said it so you must have proof lying around somewhere. Link, quote or you're just a POS liar!!
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Not to really "defend" VolBeef here, but I do recall that line being thrown out there...can't remember if it was by Dooley, but I think it was.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Not to really "defend" VolBeef here, but I do recall that line being thrown out there...can't remember if it was by Dooley, but I think it was.
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I didnt hear it said and untill he brought it up, I've never seen it posted here. Just sayin if its a fact, shouldnt be hard for him to prove it. If you've read beefs other post then you understand why I'm not taking his word
 
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VolMaster14 said:
I didnt hear it said and untill he brought it up, I've never seen it posted here. Just sayin if its a fact, shouldnt be hard for him to prove it. If you've read beefs other post then you understand why I'm not taking his word
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I'm aware of his agenda...no doubt.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
I don't understand why this is such a difficult isssue for you and others to get. My THINKING DD will fail is not me WANTING DD to fail. There's a HUGE difference. As I've stated numerous times, I'd LOVE to be wrong and come on here and eat crow. But history says I'm right.
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History says that you have an inability to understand cause and effect...

I could buy into your historical perspective if DD jumped out in the Florida game, and in a fit of rage tore an ACL or bit Bray's thumb off in the UGA game simply because he could.

I might be able to see your point if DD was the reason behind us being incredibly young, low on talent, and short handed for the past few years.

I might even be able to agree with you if history had ever been a direct indicator on the performance the following season. Using that argument, since 1998 UT would never have lost another national championship because history tends to repeat every year, correct?

That is silly, you say, because there are other factors that might keep something from repeating? Well now you might get the silliness in the idea that "DD will absolutely fail because of history".

I am not saying that DD will absolutely succeed, but improving is much more likely than stagnation or regression giving the differences in circumstances.

Extrapolating correctly from history is a very complex and inexact science. Just being pessimistic because of the end result gives no credence to the underlying causes of that result.
 
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You sunshine pumpers are pumping so hard it should be considered trolling if volbeefs Constant Dooley bashing is considered trolling.
 
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daj2576 said:
History says that you have an inability to understand cause and effect...

I could buy into your historical perspective if DD jumped out in the Florida game, and in a fit of rage tore an ACL or bit Bray's thumb off in the UGA game simply because he could.

I might be able to see your point if DD was the reason behind us being incredibly young, low on talent, and short handed for the past few years.

I might even be able to agree with you if history had ever been a direct indicator on the performance the following season. Using that argument, since 1998 UT would never have lost another national championship because history tends to repeat every year, correct?

That is silly, you say, because there are other factors that might keep something from repeating? Well now you might get the silliness in the idea that "DD will absolutely fail because of history".

I am not saying that DD will absolutely succeed, but improving is much more likely than stagnation or regression giving the differences in circumstances.

Extrapolating correctly from history is a very complex and inexact science. Just being pessimistic because of the end result gives no credence to the underlying causes of that result.
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Sunshine pumper. Obviously.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Volbeef has been a long time contributor to this board and is a lot more respected than anyone posting in this thread - he's definitely not a troll even if you guys can't stand him and his feelings about Dooley.
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Respected? By whom? You? :eek:lol: You're just as much of an Anti-Doolite as he is. Spreadin' your bafoonery...
 
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VolBeef88 said:
They didn't get hurt. They left the team early when Bruce was fired. You may remember Harris and Hopson?
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WTF kind of logic is this??...or nevermind...VolBeef logic.

So I guess Eric Berry played for Dooley then since he left the year before?

Shame that Bernard King and Allan Houston left as well then.
 
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VolMaster14 said:
I didnt hear it said and untill he brought it up, I've never seen it posted here. Just sayin if its a fact, shouldnt be hard for him to prove it. If you've read beefs other post then you understand why I'm not taking his word
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Still, your post that was deleted was uncalled for. Glad it was quoted for all to see. Speaks volumes. I don't care if someone disagrees with you or me 100%, One shouldn't stoop to that level. It's a message board about football. Have a little perspective and grow up.
 
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JayVols said:
Still, your post that was deleted was uncalled for. Glad it was quoted for all to see. Speaks volumes. I don't care if someone disagrees with you or me 100%, One shouldn't stoop to that level. It's a message board about football. Have a little perspective and grow up.
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I dont post things for effect, I post what I think! I could care less if it was deleted. What I said had nothing to do with him disagreeing with me, it had to do with all his BS that he has posted over time. If you think what I posted was that bad, you need to get out more fella. BTW, thanks for letting me know it was deleted, I had no clue. Glad you keep up with the status of my post, enjoy!
 
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If I was the AD at Tennessee and I was informed that I could only keep one, of either Dooley or Martin, I'd take Martin as it is now.

Martin seems to be a young coach on the rise, and if he can recruit, I see him winning big.

Dooley seems like a young coach that might have just been pushed to the big stage, too soon. This isn't a knock on him, but the truth. When you only have 1 winning season out of five in your career, I don't think you should be the head coach at a school as prestigious as Tennessee.
 
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Hard to compare coaches from different sports.

Though I think you guys misconstrued his point.

He's saying we have a coach in basketball that has improved the team impressively throughout the year, and has done a good job with individual improvement of players, while Dooley, not so much. Coach Martin has a chance to take a team that was predicted to suck, and has led them to a pretty decent team, while Dooley has taken a team predicted to suck, and led them to suck, and then this year suck worse than expected (although not all of that was his fault with injuries and defections).

You are blowing this way out of proportion.
 
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Dont forget it took a over time int. to beat vandy that should have been called back,just to get 5 wins last year,thats were dooley has us atm..the truth hurts..
 
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otis72 said:
Dont forget it took a over time int. to beat vandy that should have been called back,just to get 5 wins last year,thats were dooley has us atm..the truth hurts..
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not really true. The int ended the game and was correctly called. Even if the player was down we just needed a fg to win on our next possession. UT outplayed Vandy all game but mistakes kept them in it
 
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VolMaster14 said:
I dont post things for effect, I post what I think! I could care less if it was deleted. What I said had nothing to do with him disagreeing with me, it had to do with all his BS that he has posted over time. If you think what I posted was that bad, you need to get out more fella. BTW, thanks for letting me know it was deleted, I had no clue. Glad you keep up with the status of my post, enjoy!
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You're a kid right? One day you'll understand. I guarantee I've lived life to the fullest. The only way I know it was deleted is because I was going to quote it. I do enjoy your posts. Unintended comedy is the best kind. No point in being as nasty as you were. I've never seen anyone refer to you as a piece of excrement even though they totally disagree with you. Comments like that deminish the value of anything you post. It's just advice. Take it or leave it.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
I don't understand why this is such a difficult isssue for you and others to get. My THINKING DD will fail is not me WANTING DD to fail. There's a HUGE difference. As I've stated numerous times, I'd LOVE to be wrong and come on here and eat crow. But history says I'm right.
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Then just STFU and let it play out. What's so hard about that? You're doing nothing but hurting the program with your never ending BS...... "goob"
 
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Volst53 said:
If I was the AD at Tennessee and I was informed that I could only keep one, of either Dooley or Martin, I'd take Martin as it is now.

Martin seems to be a young coach on the rise, and if he can recruit, I see him winning big.

Dooley seems like a young coach that might have just been pushed to the big stage, too soon. This isn't a knock on him, but the truth. When you only have 1 winning season out of five in your career, I don't think you should be the head coach at a school as prestigious as Tennessee.
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53 bringing the fire of truth. I expect nothing less from you, my friend.
 
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otis72 said:
Dont forget it took a over time int. to beat vandy that should have been called back,just to get 5 wins last year,thats were dooley has us atm..the truth hurts..
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vandy and kentucky have always been tough close games at least the last 15 years they have been stooge
 
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Volst53 said:
If I was the AD at Tennessee and I was informed that I could only keep one, of either Dooley or Martin, I'd take Martin as it is now.

Martin seems to be a young coach on the rise, and if he can recruit, I see him winning big.

Dooley seems like a young coach that might have just been pushed to the big stage, too soon. This isn't a knock on him, but the truth. When you only have 1 winning season out of five in your career, I don't think you should be the head coach at a school as prestigious as Tennessee.
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This is like saying, if I was told I had to cut off one of my arms, I'd definitely keep the right. Pointless.
 
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Volst53 said:
If I was the AD at Tennessee and I was informed that I could only keep one, of either Dooley or Martin, I'd take Martin as it is now.

Martin seems to be a young coach on the rise, and if he can recruit, I see him winning big.

Dooley seems like a young coach that might have just been pushed to the big stage, too soon. This isn't a knock on him, but the truth. When you only have 1 winning season out of five in your career, I don't think you should be the head coach at a school as prestigious as Tennessee.
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I feel, personally, when things got really bad for both coaches, we saw how the teams responded. We both had bad losses (42 by Arkansas, to Austin Peay) and we saw what happened. The basketball team bought into the coach, overcome some suckage, and became better. The football team laid down. I'll get shot for this, but I don't think Dooley is a good leader. Other than LSU in 2010, how many times was the team truly inspired? Not very much.
 
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the play was called dead when the whistle blew bye 1 ref. befor the int. but they gave it to them anyway.even the SEC said that.
 
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