Decompressing From The End Of The UT Game...

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#76
hatvol96 said:
They're not underachieving. They're just not very good.
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They have enough talent to get to the dance. I don't think they're very well coached, especially on the defensive end. Daddy might have been drunk a lot, but his teams flat out played D. That can't be said of this crew.
 
#77
#77
hatvol96 said:
I'm not sure how Rick Pitino left them with a bad taste. Also, anyone who thinks UK would hire Andy ahead of Cal needs to seek psychiatric help immediately.
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Pitino's leaving them with a bad taste stems from his current position, not what he did at UK.

I didn't say they would hire him first. I said they're lunatics if they did so. Cal is a successful recruiter because he requires nothing from his players. He actually has a lot in common with CPF on the recruiting vs. coaching front.
 
#78
#78
BigPapaVol said:
They have enough talent to get to the dance. I don't think they're very well coached, especially on the defensive end. Daddy might have been drunk a lot, but his teams flat out played D. That can't be said of this crew.
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As Gary Parrish pointed out in his column the other day, making the tournament this year doesn't mean you're any good. Texas Tech and Ok State are playing what essentially amounts to an elimination game Saturday. Does anyone really think either of those teams are any good? Look at the SEC. There will be at least one team in the tourney from the West. Is someone going to tell me any of those teams are high quality?
 
#79
#79
BigPapaVol said:
I didn't say they would hire him first. I said they're lunatics if they did so. Cal has a lot in common with CPF on the recruiting vs. coaching front.
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When Fulmer takes a program that had the worst record in all of college football for the 10 years prior to his taking the job and makes them a national title contender, I'll agree with your comparison. Until then, I'll consider it asinine.
 
#80
#80
Kentucky will not be going after him unless they miss out on some other targets. And even if Cal was offered the job, he wouldn't take it. He likes the fact he can coast through CUSA and schedule a few tuff out of conference teams so he can continue to stay in the top 10. With his recruiting success, he will have Memphis among the elite for years to come. Now that they got Derrick Rose coming in next year, If he was offered now he would decline. He might toy with them like he did NC State this summer.. But he won't take that job in Lexington.
 
#81
#81
StunnA N' Orange said:
Kentucky will not be going after unless they miss out on some other targets. And even if Cal was offered the job, he wouldn't take it. He likes the fact he can coast through CUSA and schedule a few tuff out of conference teams so he can continue to stay in the top 10. With his recruiting success, he will Memphis among the elite for years to come. Now that they got Derrick Rose coming in next year, If he was offered he would decline. He mite toy with them like he did NC State this summer.. But he won't take that job in Lexington.
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Trust me, Cal would be in Memphis just long enough to pack his bags for Lexington. Comparing NC State to UK is like comparing Ruben Studdard to Barry White.
 
#82
#82
StunnA N' Orange said:
Kentucky will not be going after him unless they miss out on some other targets. And even if Cal was offered the job, he wouldn't take it. He likes the fact he can coast through CUSA and schedule a few tuff out of conference teams so he can continue to stay in the top 10. With his recruiting success, he will have Memphis among the elite for years to come. Now that they got Derrick Rose coming in next year, If he was offered now he would decline. He might toy with them like he did NC State this summer.. But he won't take that job in Lexington.
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Even with WAY more cash money and NOT having to live in Shelby County?
 
#83
#83
The Dude said:
Even with WAY more cash money and NOT having to live in Shelby County?
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He's scared of SEC competition year in and year out. And he's making pretty good money in Tiggerland. Granted it is only half of what Tubby makes, but it will keep him happy with what he has going in Memphis.
 
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#84
hatvol96 said:
Trust me, Cal would be in Memphis just long enough to pack his bags for Lexington. Comparing NC State to UK is like comparing Ruben Studdard to Barry White.
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Cal will not go to Kentucky hat. A friend of mine close to the program told me loves Memphis and loves the recruits he has coming in. Derrick Rose is gonna be an immediate next year. Also stated he likes coasting through CUSA. I'll put money down he won't go to Kentucky if offered.
 
#85
#85
StunnA N' Orange said:
Cal will not go to Kentucky hat. A friend of mine close to the program told me loves Memphis and loves the recruits he has coming in. Derrick Rose is gonna be an immediate next year. Also stated he likes coasting through CUSA. I'll put money down he won't go to Kentucky if offered.
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I'm going to bet you I know a little more about Cal than your buddy.
 
#86
#86
hatvol96 said:
When Fulmer takes a program that had the worst record in all of college football for the 10 years prior to his taking the job and makes them a national title contender, I'll agree with your comparison. Until then, I'll consider it asinine.
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It's nice to see that you failed to mention his violation while he was at UMass hat. Why don't you inform him of this before you start puffing him up.. He also looked pretty flawless in the NBA too. It's also known that Cal has some interesting recruiting tactics as well.. Some AAU coaches have some pretty negative vibes on he deals with their kids. And unless you speak to Cal on a weekly basis, I think I'll take his word over your's.. And tell me when you want to wager on Cal leaving for Kentucky if he is indeed offered it in the future..
 
#87
#87
hatvol96 said:
When Fulmer takes a program that had the worst record in all of college football for the 10 years prior to his taking the job and makes them a national title contender, I'll agree with your comparison. Until then, I'll consider it asinine.
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Me asinine. Clearly turning around a basketball program is a completely different prospect than a football program. Single players can and do make that difference single handedly, which is exactly what happened at UMass. Historically it has happened over and over. You're sure to regale me with tales of your coaching understanding, who you know and of your personal insight into the coaching world. However, I don't care. In my mind, you're the ultimate self-absorbed armchair QB with every answer. Coaching is the most fickle business in the world and great coaches lose to lesser ones and lesser teams all the time. Coaching often boils down to fortune and timing. To believe otherwise is folly. Consistently great coaches overcome that, but there have been very, very few of those. Tell yourself otherwise, but Cal's teams have consistently underachieved and will continue until he finds some discipline, regardless of the fact that he calls himself your friend and takes coaching and player evaluation tips from you (which have clearly helped him win less with more talent than Dean Smith).

You ever played or coached above the HS level? Some understanding actually comes from having been there. Or maybe you're just a genius and get to avoid all of that, like a few of the very rare greats, but you probably offered them advice on a regular basis as well.
 
#88
#88
hatvol96 said:
As Gary Parrish pointed out in his column the other day, making the tournament this year doesn't mean you're any good. Texas Tech and Ok State are playing what essentially amounts to an elimination game Saturday. Does anyone really think either of those teams are any good? Look at the SEC. There will be at least one team in the tourney from the West. Is someone going to tell me any of those teams are high quality?
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What does the dance have to do with it. You offered up earlier in the discussion as a measure of this year's vs. last year's AR teams. I think it's a pathetic measure. 64 teams go out. That's over half of the teams that I would consider viable options. That's a pathetic measure. Nonetheless, OSU has two very good basketball players on the team and should be winning with them. Daddy would be winning with them because they would play D.
 
#89
#89
hatvol96 said:
I'm going to bet you I know a little more about Cal than your buddy.
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That's entertainment. Bragging about your intimate knowledge of a coach as support for your OPINION. Keep that up because it carries tons of weight.
 
#92
#92
It won't be good. I'm done with it. Why debate with a self-important, holier than thou, one-upping 'til he dies wannabe. Opinions as facts, changing the debate, constant analogy hyperbole and allusion to those with differing opinions as needing meds or medical attention. That's the game. Worthless at the end of the day from someone who hasn't been there and is never gonna be? I'm done with the back and forth. I'll state opinions with no support as fact and belittle other opinions. Seems to work and be very popular.
 
#94
#94
BigPapaVol said:
It won't be good. I'm done with it. Why debate with a self-important, holier than thou, one-upping 'til he dies wannabe. Opinions as facts, changing the debate, constant analogy hyperbole and allusion to those with differing opinions as needing meds or medical attention. That's the game. Worthless at the end of the day from someone who hasn't been there and is never gonna be? I'm done with the back and forth. I'll state opinions with no support as fact and belittle other opinions. Seems to work and be very popular.
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You calling someone self important is like Rosie O'Donnell calling someone fat. Why don't you go on another rant about the greatness of Hakim Warrick? That epitomized your knowledge of the game of basketball. As far as my connection to Divison I basketball, I'm quite certain it's a fair piece closer than yours. You're just another bitter, whiney guy who loves to sit around and cry about how things were so much better in the good ole days. The game has long since passed guys like you by. Women's basketball is probably the best option for you now. You can probably keep up with it.
 
#95
#95
BigPapaVol said:
Me asinine. Clearly turning around a basketball program is a completely different prospect than a football program. Single players can and do make that difference single handedly, which is exactly what happened at UMass. Historically it has happened over and over. You're sure to regale me with tales of your coaching understanding, who you know and of your personal insight into the coaching world. However, I don't care. In my mind, you're the ultimate self-absorbed armchair QB with every answer. Coaching is the most fickle business in the world and great coaches lose to lesser ones and lesser teams all the time. Coaching often boils down to fortune and timing. To believe otherwise is folly. Consistently great coaches overcome that, but there have been very, very few of those. Tell yourself otherwise, but Cal's teams have consistently underachieved and will continue until he finds some discipline, regardless of the fact that he calls himself your friend and takes coaching and player evaluation tips from you (which have clearly helped him win less with more talent than Dean Smith).

You ever played or coached above the HS level? Some understanding actually comes from having been there. Or maybe you're just a genius and get to avoid all of that, like a few of the very rare greats, but you probably offered them advice on a regular basis as well.
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Exactly which single player turned UMASS around? Harper Williams? Tony Barbee? Jim McCoy? Lou Roe?
It is never smart to talk about things you obviously have scant knowledge of. Then again, that never seems to stop you. John Calipari has had more talent than Dean Smith? That rates as one of the 2 or 3 most ridiculous posts of all time on this board. As to what I am "in your mind," you really shouldn't use up space thinking about me. It's obvious you don't have any room upstairs to spare. As to your coaching question, if one equates coaching with an AAU squad that had multiple D-I signees to be on par with post high school coaching, the answer is yes.
 
#96
#96
BigPapaVol said:
You ever played or coached above the HS level? Some understanding actually comes from having been there.
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Well, there it is. Conclusive proof that Big Papa Vol is Vol Mania 21's father. Guess what, I've never held elective office and I still discuss politics. Also, I've never won an Oscar but I talk about movies. Given the experience standard you are pushing for here, you should quit polluting the thread in the Pub about generals with your opinion unless you've held a strategic command. I'm fairly confident you've never held such a position.
 
#97
#97
BigPapaVol said:
Coaching often boils down to fortune and timing. To believe otherwise is folly.
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Exactly. But for a break here or there, Wade Houston is John Chaney and Bill Frieder is Bob Knight. It's just a couple of breaks separating Buzz Peterson from Jerry Tarkananian.
 
#98
#98
StunnA N' Orange said:
It's nice to see that you failed to mention his violation while he was at UMass hat. Why don't you inform him of this before you start puffing him up.. He also looked pretty flawless in the NBA too. It's also known that Cal has some interesting recruiting tactics as well.. Some AAU coaches have some pretty negative vibes on he deals with their kids. And unless you speak to Cal on a weekly basis, I think I'll take his word over your's.. And tell me when you want to wager on Cal leaving for Kentucky if he is indeed offered it in the future..
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This one is still waiting for you hat..
 
#99
#99
hatvol96 said:
some thoughts.
1. A win UT had to have. A loss tonight would have meant an NIT appearance.
2. Nice that ESPN2 cut to the end of the game. We're becoming nationally relevant enough to merit such treatment.
3. Oklahoma State is collapsing. They have the distinct look of an NIT team.
4. Texas A&M is tough and experienced. I wouldn't want them in my NCAA draw.
5. Rex Walters is going to make some big time school a very good coach in a couple of years. FAU has improved as much as any team I have seen all year.
6. Andy Kennedy can flat coach. Did anyone actually think Ole Miss would be leading the West with 3 games to play?
7. Mississippi State has also found their stride. They will be a force in the SEC tournament.
8. Huge win for Virginia Tech. They needed to beat BC to avoid going into freefall.
9. UVA is obviously a fraud. A loss to Miami is ipso facto evidence you're not very good.
10. There are just some things in life you can count on. One of them is the annual late season collapse by Florida State.
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1. Agree. they still need a road win...but after losing to SC, had to beat Bama.
2. i saw it on ESPNNEWS...they showed the last 4 minutes of the game and the entire OT....good stuff.
3. which i'm surprised about...but you are right...i don't know what happened to them.
4. i just don't know enough about them....i know they've won some big games and are abviously good...but it's tx a&m....who knew they knew how to play bball...they'll likely sneak up on some teams.
5. i'll take your word for it.
6. no. i'd of picked bama, ark, lsu and maybe MSU before i'd of piced ole miss. kind of reminds me of what Pearl was able to do with TN last year....out of nowhere, but here they are.
7. yeah, too little, too late?
8. i agree 100%....that sort of validated their sweep over UNC i guess....but that was a BIG time win.
9. also agree 100%.
10. ha, ha...

in general, the ACC is just weird this year. UNC is obviously good, but after that, every other team is basically the same team. i say 6 teams get in to the tourney from the ACC...and that's it. UNC, Duke, UVA, Va Tech, BC, and MD or Ga Tech....
 
#100
#100
StunnA N' Orange said:
This one is still waiting for you hat..
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1. What violation? Marcus Camby took some things from an agent. Cal was neither named nor implicated in any wrongdoing.
2. What does the NBA have to do with it? I guess Tim Floyd and Rick Pitino can't coach because they had little success in the League.
3. AAU coaches are, on the whole, slime.
4. I'm completely confident in anything I say regarding Cal's future employment.
 
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