'12 LA ATH Davante' Bourque (UT SIGNEE)

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d3ft punk said:
McFadden was 6'2" and this guy's 6'3". McFadden ran like a gazelle in college but went down on the first hit. This guy ain't as fast, but maybe he breaks some tackles.
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Mcfadden went down on first contact huh? Did you watch Mcfadden? Just running fast in the SEC doesn't get you the production he had. If so Demps and Rainey would dominate every game.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Mcfadden went down on first contact huh? Did you watch Mcfadden? Just running fast in the SEC doesn't get you the production he had. If so Demps and Rainey would dominate every game.
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justingroves said:
Did you get McFadden and Felix mixed up?
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McFadden's lack of production after getting hit had a LOT of people wondering if he was gonna do anything in the NFL. Al Davis drafted the fastest player available. The next year he drafted Darius Heyward-Bay, an absolutely blindingly fast guy...who can't catch a cold.

In his first two seasons in the league he was looking like another bust. 2010 he learned how to break a tackle. He was a speed guy in college and the big negatives were he was all about strait-line speed, and he wasn't shifty at all. When you're that fast you don't have to run over people.
 
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Upon further review of those highlights, if LSU doesn't want to let him try RB I will gladly take him off their hands.
 
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Il Principo said:
Upon further review of those highlights, if LSU doesn't want to let him try RB I will gladly take him off their hands.
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Actually, I think he is upset because LSU might be signing Hill to this class. Don't be surprised if he decommits but if he is doing that because of Hill, I believe it to be pretty stupid. LSU plays 3-5 RBs.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Actually, I think he is upset because LSU might be signing Hill to this class. Don't be surprised if he decommits but if he is doing that because of Hill, I believe it to be pretty stupid. LSU plays 3-5 RBs.
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So, do you think he will decommit?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Actually, I think he is upset because LSU might be signing Hill to this class. Don't be surprised if he decommits but if he is doing that because of Hill, I believe it to be pretty stupid. LSU plays 3-5 RBs.
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Sorry but no team plays 5 rbs unless they are running the triple option or have awful rbs.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
LSU does..and has good rbs
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Their 4th and 5th running backs, Hilliard and Magee, have 30 and 27 attempts all year, respectively. If you call that playing I suppose the punter's one TD run that got called back qualifies him as the 6th running back.
 
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VolOnthePlains said:
Their 4th and 5th running backs, Hilliard and Magee, have 30 and 27 attempts all year, respectively. If you call that playing I suppose the punter's one TD run that got called back qualifies him as the 6th running back.
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Agree. Sorry but I hardly qualify a Rb playing in garbage time as a guy that lsu plays.
 
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VolOnthePlains said:
Their 4th and 5th running backs, Hilliard and Magee, have 30 and 27 attempts all year, respectively. If you call that playing I suppose the punter's one TD run that got called back qualifies him as the 6th running back.
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Actually Hillard goes from FB to RB, when Ware was suspended he was promoted to the #2 back ahead of Blue.

For instance Hillard has 5 TDs but only 1 came in garbage time, LSU likes to play 3-5 backs. In 2008-2009 this was not an option due to injuries and lack of players. Ford has actually been the 4th option at times this year. No, not all of them are going to get 20 carries a game, as LSU doesn't like any of their backs to get 20 if possible.

I have watched the games, you do not. Magee is starting to get reps as well but as of now most of those are in garbage time, but not all of them. LSU will play 3-5 backs, unless they don't have 3-5 horses in the stables.

Gore is small and is more a 3rd down back but I have heard good things about him. Gore is actually listed as WR on the roster.

LSU has shown if you can play you will get on the field as they are playing on any given week 70-80 guys. It is not surprising to see 3rd and 4th string guys in on D and I am not talking about garbage time.

RB
Ware #1 back
Ford #2 (most of the time)
Blue #3
Hillard #4 (but played the #2 back against Auburn and when they want to run the FB he plays FB)
Magee #5 (mostly cleanup, could be the #1 back down the line)
Gore #6 (too small to be an every down back, will get more reps down the line and I believe LSU will be using him more like they do Shepard at WR)

FB
Stampley #1 FB (walkon)
Copeland #2
Hillard #3 (but is #1 for running the FB)

LSU plays a ton of guys, out of all the scholarship RB/FBs I believe Gore is the only one not to get significant playing time as he only has like 8 carries and he is a Freshman, of course he is the #6 RB and probably the #6 WR. LSU will need 1-2 Rbs for the 2012 class.

In all fairness, Bourque is probably a redshirt candidate, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but LSU will take Hill if he is willing to come. By the time Bourque is ready to play, Blue/Ware/Ford will be Seniors and Hillard/Magee will be juniors.
 
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MarathonVol said:
Please do not speak of JC Copeland playing fullback. That one hurts us all!
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I always liked Copeland, I wish he had more size cause he would be quite the DL. I am glad he found a spot to play and has done real well. It's too bad he took the spot away from his friend Worle. I felt real bad for Worle.

Copeland never had the size to play DL in the SEC, the injury to Worle gave him a spot he could play.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
such a waste to have Copeland at FB.
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Not a waste at all. No way he was playing DL in the SEC.

Too short to play DE, not enough weight or size to play DT. If you saw him next to the rest of LSU's DL you would see what I was talking about. He does have a super quick first step.
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Here is a small pic, 14 is Magee which is 5'8-5'9, Copeland is #44 next too him. Stampley #35 is 5'10.

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Here is LSU's DL, #97 you see over there is probably 3 inches taller than Copeland. Copeland wouldn't even be over most of their shoulder pads. You can't teach size just like you can't teach speed. He has a good motor but not enough with his size in the SEC. IMHO If he lost 35lbs. maybe you could move him to ILB.
 
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Copeland would have been a DT at UT. We have made a living of using out-of-position, undersized DT's the last few years. At LSU, not so much. You guys have a small army of giants playing DT.
 
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MarathonVol said:
Copeland would have been a DT at UT. We have made a living of using out-of-position, undersized DT's the last few years. At LSU, not so much. You guys have a small army of giants playing DT.
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I thought the same thing as you until I saw him in person next to the OL and DL men.

I think he would struggle with any team in the SEC, not because of his willingness, just due to genetics. His frame you can't really add more weight or you get rid of what his talent was, quickness. So, he could have possibly moved to DT but his frame can't take more weight.

For example, Mickey Johnson who I think is greyshirting is probably about the same height wise, but he is 35-45lbs more will be playing DT.

DE is out of the question because he doesn't have the length. He saw the writing on the wall, his best friend Worle got hurt, Worle suggested they take a look at Copeland, he secured the backup FB position last year and it has carried over this year. Worle left the team and I think he went to Georgia Tech. Copeland will be the #1 blocking FB next year, probably share time with Hillard on run plays. Not a bad gig for him, matter of fact he could make a NFL roster at FB, no way in hell he could ever do it on the DL.

I just don't see a position for him other than FB and if he dropped like 35lbs maybe ILB. He made a wise move to get playing time and he has done a good job.
 
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LynxVol said:
Have you seen him play? He's by far the most effective FB in the SEC. It's pretty easy to run behind a guy who can toss an opposing DE or MLB around.
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He has blown some pretty big dudes up.

It is a little disappointing though, after you see Copeland's HS film that he wasn't bigger, his HS film is some of the best I have ever seen on the DL. I am glad he found a spot, I can't say Russell Shepard has really found his spot yet.

LSU is going to use 5-7 guys at RB/FB on any given game. They play basically everyone, Stampley is the starting FB and he is a walkon and beat out some of the top FB recruits including Worle who was the #5 FB coming out of HS.

Back to topic, if Davante' Bourque is worried about Hill, than I would tell him to go some place else as at LSU you have earn a spot to play.... being scared of a little competition is a troubling sign and who in their right mind wants 250-300 carries in the SEC for 3-4 years? Only an idiot.

The name of the game is sharing the ball at RB or chances are you won't have a very long career.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
He has blown some pretty big dudes up.

It is a little disappointing though, after you see Copeland's HS film that he wasn't bigger, his HS film is some of the best I have ever seen on the DL. I am glad he found a spot, I can't say Russell Shepard has really found his spot yet.

LSU is going to use 5-7 guys at RB/FB on any given game. They play basically everyone, Stampley is the starting FB and he is a walkon and beat out some of the top FB recruits including Worle who was the #5 FB coming out of HS.

Back to topic, if Davante' Bourque is worried about Hill, than I would tell him to go some place else as at LSU you have earn a spot to play.... being scared of a little competition is a troubling sign and who in their right mind wants 250-300 carries in the SEC for 3-4 years? Only an idiot.

The name of the game is sharing the ball at RB or chances are you won't have a very long career.
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Perhaps he wants to be the premiere back? Not disagreeing with you cause im not a fan of recruits who shy away from competition, but its not uncommon for a recruit to want to be the main guy at RB. And lets face it, LSU is already stacked enough at RB. If Bourque decomitts from LSU, we sure would love to have him!
 
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TheVolunteer said:
Perhaps he wants to be the premiere back? Not disagreeing with you cause im not a fan of recruits who shy away from competition, but its not uncommon for a recruit to want to be the main guy at RB. And lets face it, LSU is already stacked enough at RB. If Bourque decomitts from LSU, we sure would love to have him!
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I know what you are saying but they are spread out. LSU needs 1-2 guys a year, if someone either doesn't want competition or wants 250+ carries a year for 3-4 years... BR is not the place.

The earliest Bourque is going to see action at LSU is 2013 and most probably 2014 before significant carries but he should have 3-4 years to get plenty of carries.

He could go play for South Carolina and they will be more than willing to run his knees into the ground.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Not a waste at all. No way he was playing DL in the SEC.

Too short to play DE, not enough weight or size to play DT. If you saw him next to the rest of LSU's DL you would see what I was talking about. He does have a super quick first step.
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Here is a small pic, 14 is Magee which is 5'8-5'9, Copeland is #44 next too him. Stampley #35 is 5'10.

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Here is LSU's DL, #97 you see over there is probably 3 inches taller than Copeland. Copeland wouldn't even be over most of their shoulder pads. You can't teach size just like you can't teach speed. He has a good motor but not enough with his size in the SEC. IMHO If he lost 35lbs. maybe you could move him to ILB.
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Have you seen some of our DEs and DTs recently? He'd definitely be playing in the 2 deep for UT.

It's a waste because he would be our 3rd best DT right now behind Couch and Jackson. I didn't mean that its a waste he's not playing DT at LSU. LSU, Alabama, and Georgia are the 3 SEC schools he wouldn't be on the field at D-line.
 
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If you go to LSU, there really isn't such a thing as being the #1 guy. They are going to split carries between 2-3 guys every year. They have that luxury with the talent they have each year.
 
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