Beating Fla. in 2007.........

#51
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MG1968 said:
Chavis' track record stopping game winning 4th quarter drives isn't anything to brag about. They stopped AF's 2 pt conversion, but they couldn't stop UF and they let LSU get away with a 4th and very long.

Chavis' defense is losing it's ability to win close games. you can use all the excuses you want, injuries, fatigue, etc. but adversity should bring out the best in a great, or even good defensive unit.
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I didn't realize I needed to point out that Chief has been coaching the defense for more than just last year. :no:

I will stick by his track record for his tenure as the DC.
 
#52
#52
how long is a NC going to give Chavis and Fulmer immunity from criticism?

I realize that in the past UT has had some very good defensive play. but it seems that every other team in the SEC, and around the country, has adopted a "what have you done for me lately" attitude toward the coaches.

"Lately" in this instance, refers to last season. And Chavis' defense was not playing as well as they have previously.
 
#53
#53
Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
The most discouraging part about that game is that we should have been in control of that game. We had better talent. But we didn't get the guys prepared on defense (that's coaching, folks). Had we taken care of business, we probably don't have Justin Harrell and Inky Johnson injured late in the game. Maybe...
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true, AF offense looked so good against us it should have destroyed everybody they played against. did they no. they killed our defense, it was a joke the kids were not prepared for that game the same way they were not prepared for the Arky and PSU games. chavis should have been let go. there is no excuse for that. besides heff in the backfield nobody else can even make a tackle. fulmer was half a coach he could get somebody better. the main reason he needs to go, he shows to much loyalty ( randy sanders)
 
#54
#54
MG1968 said:
how long is a NC going to give Chavis and Fulmer immunity from criticism?

I realize that in the past UT has had some very good defensive play. but it seems that every other team in the SEC, and around the country, has adopted a "what have you done for me lately" attitude toward the coaches.

"Lately" in this instance, refers to last season. And Chavis' defense was not playing as well as they have previously.
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Wow - throwing Chavis under the bus for last season! I'm glad you're in the extreme minority of the fan base on this thought. Our defense will be fine. As I said, we will have depth next season at the positions that hurt us this year.

And it's not like the defense had a bad season. We were just spoiled with Chavis putting top ten defenses on the field for so long. One mediocre season (50th ranked total defense) and you're ready to abandon ship! I can understand some of the CPF criticism, but this one is off base in my opinion.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Wow - throwing Chavis under the bus for last season! I'm glad you're in the extreme minority of the fan base on this thought. Our defense will be fine. As I said, we will have depth next season at the positions that hurt us this year.

And it's not like the defense had a bad season. We were just spoiled with Chavis putting top ten defenses on the field for so long. One mediocre season (50th ranked total defense) and you're ready to abandon ship! I can understand some of the CPF criticism, but this one is off base in my opinion.
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I have never worried about Chavis. He is a solid coach.
 
#56
#56
UT IE 95 said:
Wow - throwing Chavis under the bus for last season! I'm glad you're in the extreme minority of the fan base on this thought. Our defense will be fine. As I said, we will have depth next season at the positions that hurt us this year.

And it's not like the defense had a bad season. We were just spoiled with Chavis putting top ten defenses on the field for so long. One mediocre season (50th ranked total defense) and you're ready to abandon ship! I can understand some of the CPF criticism, but this one is off base in my opinion.
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our defenses haven't been able to tackle since 2002. weve been rated highly because we shutdown the cupcakes. any good team we play that has half of a offense crams the ball down our throats. so when you say you have a top 10 D that is alittle misleading. this year we just decided not to shut anybody down.:eek:hmy:
 
#57
#57
yep, and you know what they say about opinions.

I never said I am ready to throw Chavis under the bus, I just wonder how much longer he will get a pass and remain immune from criticism. Losing close games in the 4th quarter doesn't look good on a resume. You can make excuses all you want (depth, injuries, blah blah blah) it doesn't change the fact that the defense lost the UF and LSU games this past season.
 
#58
#58
UT IE 95 said:
Skill Position Advantages:
QB - UT
WR - UT (both lose all, UT has better potential)
TB - UT
TE - UT
DB - UT
DE - UT
LB - UT
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I agree with all of those except for the first seven. The thing none of you seems to account for is that Florida now has in place all of the tools Meyer needs to run the spread option the way he really wants to. What you saw against OSU is perhaps two-thirds of the variety and range you will see next year. And with superior talent doing it.


General Jack said:
Doesn't matter how many starters they lose... they have outstanding young talent and a coaching staff that knows how to get the most out of it.

We may have an advantage on paper, but we did in 2005, 2002, 1997, etc. etc. also. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but Meyer has not yet lost a game in the swamp.

To beat the gators, we'll have to play outstanding defense, including:
- grow a couple of rock solid tackles to prevent the Teblow left/right for 4-5 a pop (I'm worried about this one...)
- get a real headhunter mentality into all of our defense to blow up their mickey mouse spread option... if we really REALLY bring the pain on some crosses, option pitches, etc., it will get into their head
- I think we should play press coverage at the line, similar to what Ark did to us this year, they got into our head with that physicality
- let me reiterate, our defense has to get full out NASTY and with attitude
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I agree with this post. Physicality is critical. Apparently, during the NC game, one of our linemen picked Smith up after one of the sacks and said, essentially, Dude, your guys can't block us. And walked away.

MG1968 said:
yep, and you know what they say about opinions.

I never said I am ready to throw Chavis under the bus, I just wonder how much longer he will get a pass and remain immune from criticism. Losing close games in the 4th quarter doesn't look good on a resume. You can make excuses all you want (depth, injuries, blah blah blah) it doesn't change the fact that the defense lost the UF and LSU games this past season.
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For whatever reason, a lot of you guys simply don't want to include in your hypothesis on why you lost the fact that you had opposition. LSU and UF were certainly the SEC's best teams. How about giving them a little credit for winning, as opposed to explanations for how your team didn't get something done?
 
#59
#59
lawgator1 said:
I agree with all of those except for the first seven. The thing none of you seems to account for is that Florida now has in place all of the tools Meyer needs to run the spread option the way he really wants to. What you saw against OSU is perhaps two-thirds of the variety and range you will see next year. And with superior talent doing it.




I agree with this post. Physicality is critical. Apparently, during the NC game, one of our linemen picked Smith up after one of the sacks and said, essentially, Dude, your guys can't block us. And walked away.



For whatever reason, a lot of you guys simply don't want to include in your hypothesis on why you lost the fact that you had opposition. LSU and UF were certainly the SEC's best teams. How about giving them a little credit for winning, as opposed to explanations for how your team didn't get something done?
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On a side note, Whats up Law, Did ya get the tickets?
 
#61
#61
lawgator1 said:
I agree with all of those except for the first seven. The thing none of you seems to account for is that Florida now has in place all of the tools Meyer needs to run the spread option the way he really wants to. What you saw against OSU is perhaps two-thirds of the variety and range you will see next year. And with superior talent doing it.




I agree with this post. Physicality is critical. Apparently, during the NC game, one of our linemen picked Smith up after one of the sacks and said, essentially, Dude, your guys can't block us. And walked away.



For whatever reason, a lot of you guys simply don't want to include in your hypothesis on why you lost the fact that you had opposition. LSU and UF were certainly the SEC's best teams. How about giving them a little credit for winning, as opposed to explanations for how your team didn't get something done?
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i'll give you some credit gator you guys won. i was at the florida game though and you won, but i would have to say we more or less lost that game. we went up 17-7 and the great offensive minds on the tennessee coaching staff went into a shell and went conservative. we could never get it going again after you guys closed the gap. you guys won for a simple reason, you have a better coach than we do. i have to give it up to you guys, you didn't want to be middle of the road and went out and grabbed a top notch coach. enjoy beating us for awhile because i really don't think you have much to worry about untill we finally get rid of phil.
 
#62
#62
For whatever reason, a lot of you guys simply don't want to include in your hypothesis on why you lost the fact that you had opposition. LSU and UF were certainly the SEC's best teams. How about giving them a little credit for winning, as opposed to explanations for how your team didn't get something done?
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fair enough, explain how UF and LSU won, but that would just enter a circular argument of who did what and when. It is a given that UT's defense couldn't stop UF's and LSU's offense in key 4th qtr drives, where was I not giving credit in either case?
 
#64
#64
champyvol said:
our defenses haven't been able to tackle since 2002. weve been rated highly because we shutdown the cupcakes. any good team we play that has half of a offense crams the ball down our throats. so when you say you have a top 10 D that is alittle misleading. this year we just decided not to shut anybody down.:eek:hmy:
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And yet our strength of schedule is in the top ten every year. Who are these cupcakes?

How is it misleading. Toughest schedule, best d year in year out. Pretty simple.

Your earlier statement that Chavis should have been let go after a win against AF pretty much let's me know where you're coming from. Good luck.
 
#65
#65
champyvol said:
i'll give you some credit gator you guys won. i was at the florida game though and you won, but i would have to say we more or less lost that game. we went up 17-7 and the great offensive minds on the tennessee coaching staff went into a shell and went conservative. we could never get it going again after you guys closed the gap. you guys won for a simple reason, you have a better coach than we do. i have to give it up to you guys, you didn't want to be middle of the road and went out and grabbed a top notch coach. enjoy beating us for awhile because i really don't think you have much to worry about untill we finally get rid of phil.
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Who would you prefer to see take over for him? That Boise State coach is hot right now -- you guys could pull a similar deal like we did to get Meyer.
 
#66
#66
lawgator1 said:
I agree with all of those except for the first seven. The thing none of you seems to account for is that Florida now has in place all of the tools Meyer needs to run the spread option the way he really wants to. What you saw against OSU is perhaps two-thirds of the variety and range you will see next year. And with superior talent doing it.
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Funny LG, very funny.

The knock on Meyer has been his unknown ability to win with his own players. We will get the first sample taste of that this year.

Who are the tools? Did any of them see the field this year other than Tebow and Harvin acting as running backs see the field?

It'll be interesting - but looking down UF's depth chart, I'll be surprised if there is not a significant dropoff for UF especially on D.
 
#67
#67
lawgator1 said:
Who would you prefer to see take over for him? That Boise State coach is hot right now -- you guys could pull a similar deal like we did to get Meyer.
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Jon Gruden

Trooper Taylor

Spurrier

Please anybody!



Oh and about the Florida game next year. We will win by a landslide when Fulmer farts and knocks down the Swamp and the whole state of Florida has to evacuate.

The after shock of gas exposed by Fulmer will produce winds up to Hurricane Force and eventually cause Global Warming.

Causing not only UT to beat Florida, but will conclude into Tennessee turning into a dynasty.

:popcorn:
 
#68
#68
lawgator1 said:
Who would you prefer to see take over for him? That Boise State coach is hot right now -- you guys could pull a similar deal like we did to get Meyer.
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right now gator anybody who would bring hope back to the program. i wanted butch davis.
 
#69
#69
UT IE 95 said:
And yet our strength of schedule is in the top ten every year. Who are these cupcakes?

How is it misleading. Toughest schedule, best d year in year out. Pretty simple.

Your earlier statement that Chavis should have been let go after a win against AF pretty much let's me know where you're coming from. Good luck.
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marshall, AF, kentucky, Vandy, Memphis, Ole miss. by the way this year is the only year i can ever remember our schedule being ranked in the top 10. the reason that happened is because we finally played lsu and Arky and they were both ranked in the top10.
 
#70
#70
Any school playing in the SEC has all the SOS points it needs just from conference play.

As to the Florida game, okay, okay, I admit to some concern on my part as to what we are going to do considering that virtually the entire defense will be playing in the NFL next year. But winning is infectious and the players coming back seem awfully excited to get out there themselves. I do not think you will see any complacency from the players or from Meyer.

In fact, I think with the players he has on offense this year, he's really planning on the team scoring a bunch more points than last year. Will that offset the fact that the defense will probably give up more than it did last year? Remains to be seen.

I think I would say, however, that in terms of overall style the 2007 Gators are likely to resemble the '96 Gators in a lot of ways. High-scoring games, probably.
 
#71
#71
champyvol said:
i'll give you some credit gator you guys won. i was at the florida game though and you won, but i would have to say we more or less lost that game. we went up 17-7 and the great offensive minds on the tennessee coaching staff went into a shell and went conservative. we could never get it going again after you guys closed the gap. you guys won for a simple reason, you have a better coach than we do. i have to give it up to you guys, you didn't want to be middle of the road and went out and grabbed a top notch coach. enjoy beating us for awhile because i really don't think you have much to worry about untill we finally get rid of phil.
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We were totally outmatched by Florida. I was actually pretty pleased with our playcalling in that game. We were insanely lucky to have that lead. The way Ainge performed was incredible. He wasn't going to be able to keep that up forever. We needed to run the ball and kill the clock. Unfortunately, Florida's defensive line is as good at run-stopping as they are at pass-rushing. Look at how bad Florida destroyed Ohio State. We were fortunate that we were able to hang with them. I'm not even a Fulmer supporter, but I won't blame playcalling for our loss against Florida.
 
#72
#72
kptvol said:
We were totally outmatched by Florida. I was actually pretty pleased with our playcalling in that game. We were insanely lucky to have that lead. The way Ainge performed was incredible. He wasn't going to be able to keep that up forever. We needed to run the ball and kill the clock. Unfortunately, Florida's defensive line is as good at run-stopping as they are at pass-rushing. Look at how bad Florida destroyed Ohio State. We were fortunate that we were able to hang with them. I'm not even a Fulmer supporter, but I won't blame playcalling for our loss against Florida.
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in the first quarter alone ainge underthrew meachum that would have been a sure touchdown. we could have been up 24-7. our play calling stunk up the joint in the second half. sooner or later you have to show confidence in your players and CUT and phil took the game out of there hands. we should have won that game, urban let his players go and they performed. that is the reason we got beat. tennessee is conservative with a lead that is the reason we lose so many close games. that could also be the reason the kids show a lack of emotion.
 
#74
#74
champyvol said:
in the first quarter alone ainge underthrew meachum that would have been a sure touchdown. we could have been up 24-7. our play calling stunk up the joint in the second half. sooner or later you have to show confidence in your players and CUT and phil took the game out of there hands. we should have won that game, urban let his players go and they performed. that is the reason we got beat. tennessee is conservative with a lead that is the reason we lose so many close games. that could also be the reason the kids show a lack of emotion.
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Ainge was running for his life the entire second half. He made some miraculous completions. It wasn't going to last. Eventually, he was going to throw an interception or get drilled in the backfield and fumble. That would have handed the Gators the game.
 
#75
#75
champyvol said:
hey gator what do you think. were we totally overmatched against you this year.
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I think that "totally outmatched" is a bit extreme. I do think the score was closer than the game. Florida controlled the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball pretty well -- problem was that we weren't poking the ball into the end zone. Statistically, Florida was substantially better, but they don't award the win based on stats, and where it counted it was close, albeit as I say should not have been.

That game was hugely critical for Florida. To come back in the second half like that, on the road, was really an accomplishment for the offensive line, in particular. They hard worked al week on a special silent count for that game and, if memory serves, might have had only one false start.

That win gave the Gators the confidence they needed. In fact, if Florida had lost that game, I think it could have been an entirely different season for them. They may well have tanked it.
 
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