The divide in this country is growing, and is alarming

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droski said:
link?

as for the black people being the only poor people argument:

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So 25 percent of the black population is in poverty whereas less than 10 percent of the white population is.

In other words, if you are black, you are two and a half times more likely to be in poverty than if you are white.
 
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lawgator1 said:
So 25 percent of the black population is in poverty whereas less than 10 percent of the white population is.

In other words, if you are black, you are two and a half times more likely to be in poverty than if you are white.
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and? is your argument that people think only the black people are at fault for being poor?
 
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lawgator1 said:
So 25 percent of the black population is in poverty whereas less than 10 percent of the white population is.

In other words, if you are black, you are two and a half times more likely to be in poverty than if you are white.
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OR there are nearly as many whites living in poverty as blacks, asians & hispanics combined...right?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Where is an iota of proof that shifting more taxes away from white families (median wealth $113,000) and to black families (median wealth $6,000), is going to help the black families?
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How many families of any color are going to pay more taxes because the tax code is simplified? The answer is zero. They aren't going to pay then and aren't paying now.

How will it help them? Well, it could help a flagging economy produce more wealth and jobs. Your economic ignorance never ceases to amaze. I know you struggle with the concept... but the more wealth a nation has, the more that can be shared amongst its citizens. Shrinking the nations wealth will hurt the powerless first and the most.
 
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hndog609 said:
Was there something about my math that was incorrect? I'll glady recant if so.
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I think he was using satire to say that, while yes, that is one way to look at it, it will not be the way LG looks at it.

Ie: sarcasm.
 
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No, I was serious. It's a poor counter because it's not proportionate. Percentages and ratios matter. It's factually correct, but it is also a misrepresentation of the figures.

I'm not saying I buy in to his argument that minorities are being discriminated against by "the man", but using the gross totals as a counter to his point isn't sufficient in this case.
 
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sjt18 said:
How many families of any color are going to pay more taxes because the tax code is simplified? The answer is zero. They aren't going to pay then and aren't paying now.

How will it help them? Well, it could help a flagging economy produce more wealth and jobs. Your economic ignorance never ceases to amaze. I know you struggle with the concept... but the more wealth a nation has, the more that can be shared amongst its citizens. Shrinking the nations wealth will hurt the powerless first and the most.
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I am sure that this is why the people who advocate for the tax code reform are Republicans and conservatives -- so that their own taxes will go up and so that the lower classes will not have to pay more.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Lack of education, lack of opportunity to enter the system of making money off of business interests, whether direct or through stock or asset ownership.
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And whose fault is that? Is it the fault of whites who succeed that in some black communities peer pressure makes outcasts of kids that perform well academically? That isn't a new problem either. About 15 years ago a black mother expressed frustration over the fact that her intelligent 13 yo daughter in a suburban school was being called names for being too white. Her transgression? She made good grades and didn't mess around with trouble makers.

Let me give you a clue. YOU are a bigger obstacle to blacks with your "blame someone else" preaching.
Do you not see something wrong with that?
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Yes. I do. Gov't is TOO big. It is TOO involved in the lives of people. It has TOO much power to reward political friends (rich or poor) and punish enemies. Our people have become TOO dependent and MUST learn to be responsible for themselves again.

Gov't isn't the only problem. Part of it is the culture shift that has occurred during the Progressive era. But gov't is a HUGE part of the problem.
 
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sjt18 said:
And whose fault is that? Is it the fault of whites who succeed that in some black communities peer pressure makes outcasts of kids that perform well academically? That isn't a new problem either. About 15 years ago a black mother expressed frustration over the fact that her intelligent 13 yo daughter in a suburban school was being called names for being too white. Her transgression? She made good grades and didn't mess around with trouble makers.

Let me give you a clue. YOU are a bigger obstacle to blacks with your "blame someone else" preaching.


Yes. I do. Gov't is TOO big. It is TOO involved in the lives of people. It has TOO much power to reward political friends (rich or poor) and punish enemies. Our people have become TOO dependent and MUST learn to be responsible for themselves again.

Gov't isn't the only problem. Part of it is the culture shift that has occurred during the Progressive era. But gov't is a HUGE part of the problem.
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Wow, you find one lady from 15 years ago who had a daughter who had this issue and you generalize that the problem is black culture, itself?

You are definitely one of the ones in the hard right that is pure racist.
 
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fl0at said:
I think he was using satire to say that, while yes, that is one way to look at it, it will not be the way LG looks at it.

Ie: sarcasm.
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You may well be right. Apologies HSVol if I misinterpreted your response.

As another observation is it just me or does there sem to be an awful lot more empathy for the plight of the poor minority person in an urban slum than there is for some poor white person out in the rural areas of, say, AR or Appalachia? I've driven through areas of the South that look positively 3rd world. I'm talking half-naked kids playing with sticks out in a puddle of mud the front of a trailer home with no front door.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Wow, you find one lady from 15 years ago who had a daughter who had this issue and you generalize that the problem is black culture, itself?

You are definitely one of the ones in the hard right that is pure racist.
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if you think there isn't a cultural problem with education in the black community than i assume you must think they are just dumber than the rest of the population.
 
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This country is going to hell with gasoline underwear on anyway so why worry yourselves to death. Get a ice cold beer or beverage of your choice chill out, relax and say "F it".
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Coach Grizz said:
This country is going to hell with gasoline underwear on anyway so why worry yourselves to death. Get a ice cold beer or beverage of your choice chill out, relax and say "F it".
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grizz might have the answer here.
 
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hndog609 said:
You may well be right. Apologies HSVol if I misinterpreted your response.

As another observation is it just me or does there sem to be an awful lot more empathy for the plight of the poor minority person in an urban slum than there is for some poor white person out in the rural areas of, say, AR or Appalachia? I've driven through areas of the South that look positively 3rd world. I'm talking half-naked kids playing with sticks out in a puddle of mud the front of a trailer home with no front door.
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I don't think its more empathy as much as it is a more defined and more starkly defined political problem given the history of the country.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am sure that this is why the people who advocate for the tax code reform are Republicans and conservatives -- so that their own taxes will go up and so that the lower classes will not have to pay more.
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Absolutely it is. JFK in slashing taxes for the wealthy rightly said that a rising tide lifts all boats.

I want EVERYONE to have more wealth. That requires MORE people, not less to be personally responsible and productive. That will not happen so long as gov't is taking wealth that should be reinvested to produce more wealth for EVERY producer to share and buying votes with no requirement except that someone consume.

We don't advocate that the pie be split to give more to ourselves or the "rich" at the expense of anyone. We advocate that the pie be grown so that there's more to share in wealth and opportunity.
 
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droski said:
if you think there isn't a cultural problem with education in the black community than i assume you must think they are just dumber than the rest of the population.
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There is a lack of interest in it in part I think because of the perception that there is no opportunity, even for the better educated. Plus as has been pointed out there is surely less parental involvement in some families more so than others. That's a function of a lot of things, chief among them being poverty and distrust, skepticism, single parent situations, etc.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There is a lack of interest in it in part I think because of the perception that there is no opportunity, even for the better educated. Plus as has been pointed out there is surely less parental involvement in some families more so than others. That's a function of a lot of things, chief among them being poverty and distrust, skepticism, single parent situations, etc.
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so you agree it's a cultural issue. sounds like you are calling black people lazy.
 
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HSVol said:
No, I was serious. It's a poor counter because it's not proportionate. Percentages and ratios matter. It's factually correct, but it is also a misrepresentation of the figures.

I'm not saying I buy in to his argument that minorities are being discriminated against by "the man", but using the gross totals as a counter to his point isn't sufficient in this case.
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I see, so are 30 million whites in poverty more or less of a burden on the rest of us (from a taxpayers perspective) than 30 million from other ethnicities? It's a serious question.
 
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sjt18 said:
Absolutely it is. JFK in slashing taxes for the wealthy rightly said that a rising tide lifts all boats.

I want EVERYONE to have more wealth. That requires MORE people, not less to be personally responsible and productive. That will not happen so long as gov't is taking wealth that should be reinvested to produce more wealth for EVERY producer to share and buying votes with no requirement except that someone consume.

We don't advocate that the pie be split to give more to ourselves or the "rich" at the expense of anyone. We advocate that the pie be grown so that there's more to share in wealth and opportunity.
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I want everyone to have more wealth, too, but if you think that the far right supports tax reform because their interest is in helping out the poor by taxing the poor more and themselves less, you are either so naive as to truly be mentally retarded or totally insane.
 
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