Predictions for 2007

#76
#76
VolBeef88 said:
WVU yes. UF not so much yet and Clemson not so much either.

Now with that said I also don't consider WVU or Clemson to be big time schools in NCAA football either. Clemson used to be but not so much anymore. WVU? We will see how long they can keep up.

You know the big time schools I'm talking about. OU, USC, Texas etc. You know power players in the last 10 years or so. (I left UT out so you would'nt have to blast us)
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WVU has played in a BCS bowl the last two years. I can think of a number of programs that wish they could say that.
 
#77
#77
VolBeef88 said:
Or a jump shot "pass". I'm not sold on it and yes the spread has been used many times in the past. Typically it is done so by smaller schools who can't get the big time players. If they could they wouldnt use it. Military schools for instance. The reason I call it a gimmick is because it is rarely ran by top notch schools.
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Just because a top notch school doesn't run it doesn't mean it's a gimmick. When Steve Spurrier went throwing all over the planet, people said the same thing.

And WVU DID win the Sugar Bowl last season, so they ARE considered a top school.

And I remember Texas running what most called the "Read Option" with VY last season.
 
#78
#78
allvol123 said:
It practically looked like it was falling apart during the SECCG.
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VolBeef88 said:
What Big Time School run the option on a regular basis not just a gimmick play here and there?
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I don't think everyone here is comparing apples to apples.

Meyer's system is not a standard option running attack, where the QB and one or two running backs dart to the sideline and somewhere along the way the QB reads the defense and decides who is going to have the ball on the other side of the line of scrimmage.

The spread-option is much more versatile in that, while it has elements of the the traditional running option plays in it, it also has reads for passing plays, reverses, and simple hands offs up the gut.

What you saw from Air Force is much more along hte lines of traditional option. What you see glimpses of from UF so far are this open-air style of play.

Florida absolutely has the players next year to run the Meyer spread option. No doubt asbout it (though it would be complemented greatly by two decent traditional running backs).

That offense, however, is highly susceptible to blitzing. Tebow will be the critical component because, for every blitzing scheme, there is a corrolary offensive check off to the guy (or guys) that will be either dead open or down to pure man-to-man as a consequence of the blitz.

If you are a defensive coordinator, you have to confuse Tebow with your blitzing scheme because, if he and the coaches figure it out, that means guys like Harvin will either be alone streaking down the middle or at least having to beat only one man.

On the flip side, if you disguise the blitzes and stay disciplined on the defensive side of the ball, you can at least slow it down and create turnover and sacking opportunities. In the end, just like every other offense out there, it comes down to execution and discpline.

The difference is, with that scheme and Florida's players, if Tebow & Co. get it right, they will light up the scoreboard like a pinball machine.
 
#79
#79
VolinArizona said:
The spread option is an entirely different universe than the triple option. It really is. And I think the "luster" will last more than half a season. It will take EACH Florida opponent at least 1 game facing it to see how they specifically can stop it. Maybe longer.
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:yes:

See mine above.
 
#80
#80
VolBeef88 said:
Or a jump shot "pass". I'm not sold on it and yes the spread has been used many times in the past. Typically it is done so by smaller schools who can't get the big time players. If they could they wouldnt use it. Military schools for instance. The reason I call it a gimmick is because it is rarely ran by top notch schools.
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well i certainly hope you're right about it...but from what i've seen, that offense is different. it is productive and it takes advantage, so far, of every aspect of offensive gameplanning.

as to your point about the type of schools/players that run that offense....we've seen what teams like AF, Utah and WVU have done with that offense...

wonder what it will look like with top flight atheletes, like say at, um, Florida, running it? we'll find out in early september next season.
 
#83
#83
Here are a few more thoughts:

Florida's spread option might actually start the season out slow as they run it 100% for the first time. It could get BETTTTTTTER over time when the players learn the system even more and UM recruits more and more players for his system. Just because defenses learn how to stop doesn't mean the offense can't learn how to adjust.

Also, people continue to wonder if Tebow can take the hits for a whole season. Why? We (the SEC) have running backs who can make it entire seasons without sitting a game or 2 due to injury. Why not a tough Tebow kid?
 
#84
#84
VolBeef88 said:
You are right. Them winning their brutal conf is amazing:whistling: .
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It's all relative, man. WVU didn't play the toughest defenses, but also don't have the best offensive athletes, either.

Utah dominated under Meyer, and sure it was the MTW, but it's relative!
 
#85
#85
jakez4ut said:
well i certainly hope you're right about it...but from what i've seen, that offense is different. it is productive and it takes advantage, so far, of every aspect of offensive gameplanning.

as to your point about the type of schools/players that run that offense....we've seen what teams like AF, Utah and WVU have done with that offense...

wonder what it will look like with top flight atheletes, like say at, um, Florida, running it? we'll find out in early september next season.
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One thing to remember aobut UF this year as far as Defenses go. They had to prepare MOSTLY for Leak and only Tebow rarely. There were top athletes that ran it in the past and who runs it now? Small schools! I stick with my prediction that early it will be good but schools will catch on. UT does have the disadvantage of having to play it early and other schools will benefit from our game with them. But tape is a wonderful tool.
 
#87
#87
VolinArizona said:
Here are a few more thoughts:

Florida's spread option might actually start the season out slow as they run it 100% for the first time. It could get BETTTTTTTER over time when the players learn the system even more and UM recruits more and more players for his system. Just because defenses learn how to stop doesn't mean the offense can't learn how to adjust.

Also, people continue to wonder if Tebow can take the hits for a whole season. Why? We (the SEC) have running backs who can make it entire seasons without sitting a game or 2 due to injury. Why not a tough Tebow kid?
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Given who Florida traditionally schedules in September, i'd say they'll get a couple of live scrimmages to work out the kinks before we come calling.

as for the qb reference, people are using that based on the traditional SEC qb...who definitely can't take those kinds of hits week in and week out.

the only thing i would say to that as well, is that most teams have more than 1 RB that can share the load, so no one single guy is taking 100% of the hits...which wouldn't be the case for Tebow.
 
#88
#88
VolBeef88 said:
One thing to remember aobut UF this year as far as Defenses go. They had to prepare MOSTLY for Leak and only Tebow rarely. There were top athletes that ran it in the past and who runs it now? Small schools! I stick with my prediction that early it will be good but schools will catch on. UT does have the disadvantage of having to play it early and other schools will benefit from our game with them. But tape is a wonderful tool.
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You seem to be forgetting that coaches also watch tape of opposing defenses and gameplan there.

You may end up being right about the spread option in the SEC. I've always respected your analysis of actual game nuances, so I give some credence to what you say.

That being said, I disagree overall. :)
 
#90
#90
VolinArizona said:
Here are a few more thoughts:

Florida's spread option might actually start the season out slow as they run it 100% for the first time. It could get BETTTTTTTER over time when the players learn the system even more and UM recruits more and more players for his system. Just because defenses learn how to stop doesn't mean the offense can't learn how to adjust.

Also, people continue to wonder if Tebow can take the hits for a whole season. Why? We (the SEC) have running backs who can make it entire seasons without sitting a game or 2 due to injury. Why not a tough Tebow kid?
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Teams will play disciplined defense and stay on their assignment and stretch them to the side. That is how you stop it. It will look very good early because teams will have to get burned by trying to make "the play" and you will see players getting out of the gap. You have to go verticle in today's football against these complicated defenses. Ask Nebraska.
 
#92
#92
VolBeef88 said:
Teams will play disciplined defense and stay on their assignment and stretch them to the side. That is how you stop it. It will look very good early because teams will have to get burned by trying to make "the play" and you will see players getting out of the gap. You have to go verticle in today's football against these complicated defenses. Ask Nebraska.
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That's the thing, you DON'T have to go vertical ALL THE TIME. It's just two different schools of thought: the conservative, old-school approach and the newer proactive approach. Neither is better, and I think it's exciting to have this offensive style fused into the tough SEC. Should be fun.

Also, I would bet you and I agree than John Chavis knows that his defenders had to be discliplined and he taught them their assignments. Yet, USAFA continued to run mercilessly on us all night.
 
#93
#93
VolBeef88 said:
Anyone who watched that game can tell you that UGA was not ready to play. Just like UT was not ready to play Arky this year.
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I watched the game. They weren't 100% into it in the 1st quarter when WVU murdered them. However, they weren't looking ahead, as they had nothing to look ahead to.
 
#95
#95
VolBeef88 said:
They beat 1 good team that was WAY over looking them. BTW for all the Richt lovers how could he not have his team ready? I mean since he is a truly great coach?
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either way, WVU beat UGA. regardless of the team's mindset etc...it goes down as the Big East champ beating the SEC Champ, and in Atlanta to boot.

look, you may in fact be right...all i'm saying is there is no reson for me to believe that this offense won't work in the SEC especially with the atheletes he's gong to have running it.

like i said i hope you're right....i just think you're wrong.
 
#96
#96
VolinArizona said:
That's the thing, you DON'T have to go vertical ALL THE TIME. It's just two different schools of thought: the conservative, old-school approach and the newer proactive approach. Neither is better, and I think it's exciting to have this offensive style fused into the tough SEC. Should be fun.

Also, I would bet you and I agree than John Chavis knows that his defenders had to be discliplined and he taught them their assignments. Yet, USAFA continued to run mercilessly on us all night.
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That is because they bit on the pitch and got out of position all night. I was screaming almost as loud as Chief. The D played very undisciplined in that game until the 2 point conversion. You watcht the tape, they all stayed home on that play. Funny how that works. How the option works on teams today is that from Pop Warner to the Pros Defenders are taught to go up field after the snap. With options you have to stay put and stretch. It goes against the nature of what these players have been taught from the beginning. But, they will catch on and it will not be the "be all end all" that many are calling it.
 
#97
#97
VolinArizona said:
I watched the game. They weren't 100% into it in the 1st quarter when WVU murdered them. However, they weren't looking ahead, as they had nothing to look ahead to.
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UGA was not prepared to play that game. I don't know why but it was very obvious. Just like UT was not this year at Arky. For those who don't like CPF and think I can't criticize him, that was on him and the staff.
 
#98
#98
jakez4ut said:
either way, WVU beat UGA. regardless of the team's mindset etc...it goes down as the Big East champ beating the SEC Champ, and in Atlanta to boot.

look, you may in fact be right...all i'm saying is there is no reson for me to believe that this offense won't work in the SEC especially with the atheletes he's gong to have running it.

like i said i hope you're right....i just think you're wrong.
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Jake that's alright. As an American you have the right to be wrong. :)
 
#100
#100
VolBeef88 said:
That is because they baught on the pitch and got out of position all night. I was screaming almost as loud as Chief. The D played very undisciplined in that game until the 2 point conversion. You watcht he tape, they all stayed home on that play. Funny how that works. How the option works on teams today is that from Pop Warner to the Pros Defenders are taught to go up field after the snap. With options you have to stay put and stretch. It goes against the nature of what these players have been taght from the beginning. But, they will catch on and it will not be the be all end all that many are calling it.
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I know how the spread works and how defenses can stop it. You're not teaching me anything new. :)

That being said, you're making my point! Since when are defenses disciplined enough to make the spread option a worthless offense? If Tennessee can't be disciplined to stop Air Force's option, it sure as hell won't be for Florida's athletes!

One of the biggest keys to the spread option is actually those offensive linemen. When WVU was doing it at its best, it didn't matter if the QB pitched or kept, he had a guaranteed 5 yards almost every play. Any coach would take that. WVU's linemen were incredible at the style.

I don't have my nerdy folder of info with me right now, but I think Florida returns 3 or 4 starters on their line. If they're athletic enough to get out into the flats and into the LBs' zones, but also strong enough for the initial push, Meyer will take 4-5 yards every single time.
 
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