Where Are All The Gerald Jones Apologists Now?

[PKT_VOL]

Like most stories I suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Somewhere between “GW just happened to call me out of the blue” and “I took a conference call between me, TT, and GW where I proceeded to trash all things UT just like TT and I had rehersed”.

This. TT obviously facilitated the arrangement in some capacity and knew the imminent outcome. Anything outside of that is pure speculation.

 

[UT IE 95]

I'm not at all sure Jones was telling the truth.

I'm not at all sure Jones was not telling the truth.

 

[tvolsfan]

I'm not at all sure Jones was not telling the truth.

Then why did you say people were trashing Jones for telling the truth?

 

[UT IE 95]

Then why did you say people were trashing Jones for telling the truth?

You see what I did there - double negative in the sentence.

I think Jones told the kid about his experience at UT. Was it all positive? Probably not - Jones was at UT during the coaching turnstile years.

It is what it is. Our current recruiters worked hard to overcome our perception of a tanking program and assure recruits of stability going forward. If one recruit was lost because he believed Jones over our recruiting staff, then best of luck to the young man in Aubarn.

No need to trash Jones for answering his phone and answering questions truthfully.

It’s better than the “hot sauce” method of lying to recruits to get them signed up then having them all kicked off, transferred, and quitting a year later.

 

[VolinDawgland]

Like most stories I suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Somewhere between “GW just happened to call me out of the blue” and “I took a conference call between me, TT, and GW where I proceeded to trash all things UT just like TT and I had rehersed”.

Classic :hi:

 

[tigervol9802]

You see what I did there - double negative in the sentence.

I think Jones told the kid about his experience at UT. Was it all positive? Probably not - Jones was at UT during the coaching turnstile years.

It is what it is. Our current recruiters worked hard to overcome our perception of a tanking program and assure recruits of stability going forward. If one recruit was lost because he believed Jones over our recruiting staff, then best of luck to the young man in Aubarn.

No need to trash Jones for answering his phone and answering questions truthfully.

It’s better than the “hot sauce” method of lying to recruits to get them signed up then having them all kicked off, transferred, and quitting a year later.

So basically you think Jones is telling the truth of what happened, no questions asked?

 

[tvolsfan]

You see what I did there - double negative in the sentence.

I think Jones told the kid about his experience at UT. Was it all positive? Probably not - Jones was at UT during the coaching turnstile years.

It is what it is. Our current recruiters worked hard to overcome our perception of a tanking program and assure recruits of stability going forward. If one recruit was lost because he believed Jones over our recruiting staff, then best of luck to the young man in Aubarn.

No need to trash Jones for answering his phone and answering questions truthfully.

It’s better than the “hot sauce” method of lying to recruits to get them signed up then having them all kicked off, transferred, and quitting a year later.

What would you say if he told the player something that wasn't true?

 

[UT IE 95]

So basically you think Jones is telling the truth of what happened, no questions asked?

I don't believe anyone will ever know the exact words that were exchanged, but when asked Jones said he talked to the recruit and told him the truth. I have no reason to doubt that.

 

[UT IE 95]

What would you say if he told the player something that wasn't true?

Shame on the recruit for making a decision on a lie and not what the coaches who were recruiting him said.

I have no reason to think Jones lied to the recruit. In fact, Jones specifically said he didn't lie to him. No reason to doubt that.

Lot's of flaming a former player in this thread for maybe/maybe not telling a potential recruit something or not. A bit over the top.

And honestly, I think Dooley would rather not have a player if he is easily swayed on his commitment through a phone call with a player that's not on the team anymore. It's a character issue at that point.

 

[DD4ME]

Wait... all it takes to "win" an argument on the Internet is to make sure the argument doesn't die? :blink:

You can't follow your own dum (your word and spelling) points. You said "we" keep rehashing this because "we" love bashing players because it boosts our egos. Yet you keep bashing anyone that refuses to believe this was all some good ol' fashioned advice prompted by a neutral 3rd party. So since you dislike it continuing seems dumB to continue to debate what we know to be fact with your naive assumptions.

Boiled down:
Subject of call + nature of how call occurred + conflicting interests of schools discussed= dumb (with a B) call for GJ to take regardless of how innocent it actually was.

You failing to accept the call was dumb and getting upset that we find your point ridiculous or your bashing those that disagree as hypocritical is entertainment.
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[VolinDawgland]

At least publicly, Jones has said that he wishes he could start his career over with this team now. How did Taylor know that Jones wouldn't tell Wright something like, "Yeah, my career hasn't exactly gone the way I expected, but I can't say enough about the team Dooley is building here and the way he's changing the culture. Man, I envy you; I wish I could push the reset button and commit here tomorrow myself." Etc. Something like that would match up with what he said to the media, yet apparently Taylor wasn't worried that he'd say anything like that in private. Why not? At the very least Taylor must have been in recent and close enough contact with Jones to know that he wasn't going to say anything to help Tennessee.

I don't expect Jones to lie and spew out a bunch of fake rah-rah Tennessee stuff if that's not the way he feels; given the way his career here turned out, who could blame him? But I do expect him not to talk to a recruit when he realizes that a coach at the other school put him up to the phone call. When Wright said, "Hi, I'm Gabe Wright, I'm considering Tennessee and Auburn and Trooper Taylor said I should give you a call," Jones should have ejected from the conversation.

Now that is a logically sound and well expressed argument. GJ might be pure as fresh morning snow but all of the rumblings and evidence that GJ himself provided have a very foul oder.

 

[VolinDawgland]

Shame on the recruit for making a decision on a lie and not what the coaches who were recruiting him said.

I have no reason to think Jones lied to the recruit. In fact, Jones specifically said he didn't lie to him. No reason to doubt that.

Lot's of flaming a former player in this thread for maybe/maybe not telling a potential recruit something or not. A bit over the top.

And honestly, I think Dooley would rather not have a player if he is easily swayed on his commitment through a phone call with a player that's not on the team anymore. It's a character issue at that point.

What??? The character issue is about GJ. Wright was an early Auburn lean that we had invested a lot to swing towards UT. He was obviously conflicted as UT had stormed late into the picture. It would not have taken much to finally push him one way or the other. It would be a shame if the final nudge came from one of our own fresh off his Senior season.

GJ wouldn't have had to lie, just simply say, "my experience at UT was not so great and TT is the greatest coach I ever played for, have a nice evening", and the damage would have been done.

 

[tigervol9802]

Shame on the recruit for making a decision on a lie and not what the coaches who were recruiting him said.

I have no reason to think Jones lied to the recruit. In fact, Jones specifically said he didn't lie to him. No reason to doubt that.

Lot's of flaming a former player in this thread for maybe/maybe not telling a potential recruit something or not. A bit over the top.

And honestly, I think Dooley would rather not have a player if he is easily swayed on his commitment through a phone call with a player that's not on the team anymore. It's a character issue at that point.

I'm just not so certain Jones is telling the public the truth. I mean, it is at least plausable that if what is rumored to have happened did happen then he wouldn't exactly open up and say it.....for several reasons.

There sure seems to be a lot of smoke from some respectable people that refutes Jones' innocent claim.

 

[tvolsfan]

I'm just not so certain Jones is telling the public the truth. I mean, it is at least plausable that if what is rumored to have happened did happen then he wouldn't exactly open up and say it.....for several reasons.

There sure seems to be a lot of smoke from some respectable people that refutes Jones' innocent claim.

Agreed

 

[UT IE 95]

What??? The character issue is about GJ. Wright was an early Auburn lean that we had invested a lot to swing towards UT. He was obviously conflicted as UT had stormed late into the picture. It would not have taken much to finally push him one way or the other. It would be a shame if the final nudge came from one of our own fresh off his Senior season.

GJ wouldn't have had to lie, just simply say, "my experience at UT was not so great and TT is the greatest coach I ever played for, have a nice evening".

How is Gerald Jones taking a phone call and truthfully answering questions a character issue?

 

[DD4ME]

^ how is the origination of said call completely irrelevant to the character of the call?
If you are a trusted spokesperson for another teams recruiter to a player your team is recruiting also you might have your character questioned. All the GJ character references should provide an explanation on why this call is indisputably above board since we're not allowed to call it otherwise without proof.
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[UT IE 95]

I'm just not so certain Jones is telling the public the truth. I mean, it is at least plausable that if what is rumored to have happened did happen then he wouldn't exactly open up and say it.....for several reasons.

There sure seems to be a lot of smoke from some respectable people that refutes Jones' innocent claim.

I have no reason to think Jones is lying about to content of his conversation regarding the football team and coaches.

I can also believe what Jones told the recruit may have influenced his decision. Sometimes the truth hurts. It is what it is.

I'd rather have a guy come here because he believes it is best for him. Not because some sunshine pumper lied to him.

 

[UT IE 95]

^ how is the origination of said call completely irrelevant to the character of the call?
If you are a trusted spokesperson for another teams recruiter to a player your team is recruiting also you might have your character questioned. All the GJ character references should provide an explanation on why this call is indisputably above board since we're not allowed to call it otherwise without proof.
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Guilty until proven innocent. Got it.

 

[Vercingetorix]

How is Gerald Jones taking a phone call and truthfully answering questions a character issue?

Are you obliged to answer all of somebody's questions just because your phone rings?

If you're a regional manager and your phone rings one day and it's a prospective client on the phone, and he says, "Hi, I was just talking to Jim Jones, VP at your company's biggest competitor, and he suggested I give you a call because I've got some questions about the market in your area," do you put your feet up on the desk and shoot straight? Or do you smell a rat and make an excuse to get off the phone?

 

[HawaiiVol]

One thing I've definitely learned is that there are still people that answer their personal phone when they don't recognize the incoming phone #/Caller ID. I thought they were a dying breed.

 

[Plano Vol]

Shame on the recruit for making a decision on a lie and not what the coaches who were recruiting him said.

I have no reason to think Jones lied to the recruit. In fact, Jones specifically said he didn't lie to him. No reason to doubt that.

Lot's of flaming a former player in this thread for maybe/maybe not telling a potential recruit something or not. A bit over the top.

And honestly, I think Dooley would rather not have a player if he is easily swayed on his commitment through a phone call with a player that's not on the team anymore. It's a character issue at that point.

+1 Even if you could snatch the call out of the air and transcribe it, someone would take issue with the meaning of a sentence, was he speaking in code, etc. etc. Personally, I don't think he did anything wrong. I say give GJ the benefit of the doubt and move on.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You can't follow your own dum (your word and spelling) points. You said "we" keep rehashing this because "we" love bashing players because it boosts our egos. Yet you keep bashing anyone that refuses to believe this was all some good ol' fashioned advice prompted by a neutral 3rd party. So since you dislike it continuing seems dumB to continue to debate what we know to be fact with your naive assumptions.

Boiled down:
Subject of call + nature of how call occurred + conflicting interests of schools discussed= dumb (with a B) call for GJ to take regardless of how innocent it actually was.

You failing to accept the call was dumb and getting upset that we find your point ridiculous or your bashing those that disagree as hypocritical is entertainment.
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You're really going to make fun of me for spelling? Assuming for the moment you're correct on the spelling issue, did you know that you seem to have trouble using "your" and "you're" properly? It's hilarious that you think you're in a position to be condescending about this. Whatever.

Let me give you the bottom line. You weren't there for the call, and you don't know all the facts, but you're all too eager to crucify GJ for being dumb or disloyal or some other awful thing. There's a word for people like you, but I think the board software just turns it into a bunch of asterisks.

FYI: dum dum is a popular slang term

 

[Tenacious D]

Guilty until proven innocent. Got it.

Do you really not understand the impact of having an active player on another team - THE other team that is being decided upon by the recruit - say ANYTHING good about a coach from the other school that hasn't been on your team in FOUR YEARS could have?

Do you not think that TT knew this before referring Wright to GJ? Are you alleging that GJ is so stupid as to be incapable of knowing the same?

Don't you think that GJ should have shown a little more loyalty to Tennessee than to take the call at all? If not - the at the VERY LEAST, why didn't GJ run it by LT or DD before talking to the guy - if only to prevent any unintended consequences? Failing that, why didn't GJ relay the conversation to either of them IMMEDIATELY after it happened (and wait til either is asked the question and says that he neither did nor has)? If this was all on the up-and-up, and no big deal, how come GJ didn't tell anyone that this happened until it was leaked?

In failing to see all of these things, or worse, to rationalize them away is to only complicitly endorse it yourself.

I'd like to see you apply a similar logic if you ever come home early and catch Mark kissing Sean. Likely, that'd be ok, too.
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[Sheik Yerbouti]

Are you obliged to answer all of somebody's questions just because your phone rings?

If you're a regional manager and your phone rings one day and it's a prospective client on the phone, and he says, "Hi, I was just talking to Jim Jones, VP at your company's biggest competitor, and he suggested I give you a call because I've got some questions about the market in your area," do you put your feet up on the desk and shoot straight? Or do you smell a rat and make an excuse to get off the phone?

Don't be ridiculous. If he is a prospective client, you sell him something. You don't rush to get off the phone. Your hypothetical sets up a false dichotomy.

 

[Tenacious D]

+1 Even if you could snatch the call out of the air and transcribe it, someone would take issue with the meaning of a sentence, was he speaking in code, etc. etc. Personally, I don't think he did anything wrong. I say give GJ the benefit of the doubt and move on.

You make Snooki seem like Stephen Hawking.
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