Where Are All The Gerald Jones Apologists Now?

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Sheik Yerbouti said:
I'm not rationalizing anything. I'm just pointing out that all you dum dums are assuming the worst, when the only direct evidence is also consistent with a much more flattering story to GJ. You must have some reason to want to slag the kid. Who knows? Maybe your sense of self worth is too closely tied to the UT football program. Maybe you just like criticizing others. Maybe you like drama. Whatever. Enjoy stewing in your misery.
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You don't have to assume the worst when the best possible interpretation is still pretty damning.
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
You might suck at talking on the phone. It's okay....
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Like most stories I suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Somewhere between “GW just happened to call me out of the blue” and “I took a conference call between me, TT, and GW where I proceeded to trash all things UT just like TT and I had rehersed”.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
You don't have to assume the worst when the best possible interpretation is still pretty damning.
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No, it's not. The best possible interpretation is that GJ got a random phone call from a potential recruit and he shot him straight. It's no big deal, unless you just want to engage in some hand waiving histrionics... which lots of people like to do.
 
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VolDad said:
Like most stories I suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Somewhere between “GW just happened to call me out of the blue” and “I took a conference call between me, TT, and GW where I proceeded to trash all things UT just like TT and I had rehersed”.
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Well, if it were ever established that GJ lied about the nature of the call or the circumstances preceding it, then I would be in favor of a full blown Spanish Inquisition. If there is a way to verify the accuracy of what GJ said cheaply and with some certainty, then I think that ought to be pursued because the situation is weird. What I take issue with is the people who seem to revel in trashing GJ. They're just too eager to believe the kid did something wrong and to crucify him for it.
 
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Bottom line if you think TT would give Wright his number not knowing what Jones was going to say your an idiot get your head out of the sand.
 
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volswitten1 said:
Bottom line if you think TT would give Wright his number not knowing what Jones was going to say your an idiot get your head out of the sand.
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Exactley! Are we going to hear from AR anytime? Isnt he the one who brought it up in the first place? Obviously GW is not the only one GJ talked to. The truth is with AR IMO! It all stinks, and anybody thinking otherwise is completely :crazy:
 
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What's wrong with Jones telling a recruit he really liked playing for Trooper Taylor and UT is a great school? Basically, Jones is saying that he was positive and honest about everything.

I really don't understand people starting a thread calling a guy trash for telling the truth. The same OP trashes Pearl for lying and now trashes Jones for telling the truth. Some people are never happy when it comes to all things UT.
 
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In the end GJ was a possession receiver that showed up to play when he wanted to. I can't pretend that he was any more or less than that on the field. Over the years he has been hyped as more than that by several on the board. During that same time period many have withheld their opinions out of respect for his "service". I can understand why they would not be so kind after this incident. That is just the way I see it.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
What's wrong with Jones telling a recruit he really liked playing for Trooper Taylor and UT is a great school? Basically, Jones is saying that he was positive and honest about everything.

I really don't understand people starting a thread calling a guy trash for telling the truth. The same OP trashes Pearl for lying and now trashes Jones for telling the truth. Some people are never happy when it comes to all things UT.
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I'm not at all sure Jones was telling the truth.
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
No, it's not. The best possible interpretation is that GJ got a random phone call from a potential recruit and he shot him straight. It's no big deal, unless you just want to engage in some hand waiving histrionics... which lots of people like to do.
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You cannot possibly believe that Jones thought it was a random phone call. If so, I wish my wife were as credulous. Jones had to have known Taylor was involved.

Either Jones has an allegiance to Tennessee or he doesn't. If he does, then why have the conversation at all? Either try to sell Tennessee or hang up. If he doesn't -- and since he reportedly already referred to himself as a "former Vol" on the radio, this is probably he case -- then that's an affiliation he's thrown off pretty quickly, don't you think? Either way, there's at least a minor act of disloyalty here. Would you put your obligation to "shoot straight" to some totally random stranger ahead of a group to which you belonged that was important to you?

I have no idea what Jones is planning to do for the rest of his life, now that his football career has flamed out. But his name recognition and the goodwill he earned had set him up pretty nicely to earn a living in the state of Tennessee. It's a shame that he's pretty much set that possibility on fire because he's more loyal to Trooper Taylor than the Vols.
 
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HendersonVol said:
He doesn't have a problem with Kiffin bad mouthing UT on the way out.

Let him fight his own battles.
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Kiffin put UT in a negative light on a national level...GJ badmouthed UT to one recruit. I'd say the lane kiffin apologists calling out gerald jones apologists is beyond ridiculous.
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Myself included....
 

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You guys don't actually believe that a lot of these players care about the name on the front of the jersey, do you? Most of them are more concerned with the name on the back and that is it. Most of these players could care less about "loyalty to the old alma mater". (Ain't too many Mannings and Reveiz's around anymore.) That went out about 30 years ago. And you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

IF it's true, I would have preferred that Gerald had kept his opinion to himself but what can you expect from a kid who had 3 head coaches and multiple offensive coordinators and assistants to deal with during his career? I'd probably be confused and even more cynical than I already am.
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
Well, if it were ever established that GJ lied about the nature of the call or the circumstances preceding it, then I would be in favor of a full blown Spanish Inquisition. If there is a way to verify the accuracy of what GJ said cheaply and with some certainty, then I think that ought to be pursued because the situation is weird. What I take issue with is the people who seem to revel in trashing GJ. They're just too eager to believe the kid did something wrong and to crucify him for it.
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I get your points but your in the mud with us now. So "we" (dum dums by your account) win because the thread continues. BTW if you are on GJ's payroll your likely on TT's bankroll so tell him we said classy move.
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Delmar said:
You guys don't actually believe that a lot of these players care about the name on the front of the jersey, do you? Most of them are more concerned with the name on the back and that is it. Most of these players could care less about "loyalty to the old alma mater". (Ain't too many Mannings and Reveiz's around anymore.) That went out about 30 years ago. And you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

IF it's true, I would have preferred that Gerald had kept his opinion to himself but what can you expect from a kid who had 3 head coaches and multiple offensive coordinators and assistants to deal with during his career? I'd probably be confused and even more cynical than I already am.
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I think everybody knows that college football games matter a lot more to the fans than they do to any of the actual participants. Being at Tennessee is a business decision for the coaches and most of the players. But even so, it's unusually indecorous for a guy to be calling himself a "former Vol" and "shooting straight" with a highly prized recruit less than two months after he was wearing the uniform. Guys aren't usually quite so blatantly mercenary about it.

Is it a big deal? No, not really. Except to Jones himself, when he finally gives up on football next year and he has to figure out how to earn a living. If he was planning on doing it in Tennessee, his mouth will have cost him.
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
"Miracle" call? Somehow all these pages of unchecked vitriol are my fault? Nice try, Karl Rove. Just admit that you enjoy bashing people on the Internet. It makes you feel good. Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.
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You're doing the same thing. Pot meet kettle.
 
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I don't expect Jones to lie and spew out a bunch of fake rah-rah Tennessee stuff if that's not the way he feels; given the way his career here turned out, who could blame him? But I do expect him not to talk to a recruit when he realizes that a coach at the other school put him up to the phone call. When Wright said, "Hi, I'm Gabe Wright, I'm considering Tennessee and Auburn and Trooper Taylor said I should give you a call," Jones should have ejected from the conversation.
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I agree. Just because you're friends with TT doesn't mean you have to get involved. He should've known that it was probably a bad idea to get in the middle of two schools trying to get a big time player at the 11th hour leading up to NSD. Unless he wanted to play a part in the drama he should've politely refused to get involved.

I don't think it was a big plot by TT and GJ, but I'm sure TT must have had a gut feeling that GJ might say something that would be less than positive about his experiences at UT. I doubt GJ put any extended thought or consideration into his comments. He probably spoke off the cuff and from the heart. That is what many would do.

Now he needs to be 100% honest about it. Tough noogies if we UT faithful don't like it. I would rather he be honest than sacrifice his own personal integrity. I think that's what CDD would prefer as well.

That being said, he should still have had enough common sense to know when to keep his trap shut. If you don't want to be under the bus don't play in the street. No hardcore UT fan is going to be happy with GJ for anything less than a glowing personal endorsement of the school and the football program and a complete recrimination of TT and AU. Neither of which he could give if he's being completely honest and true to himself -at least that's my guess.

The NCAA should have a rule against a coach at a school asking a player at another school to speak IN ANY WAY ABOUT ANYTHING with a recruit. Ask a former player that you've coached who is no longer in school to vouch for you -fine. Ask your current players who you are actively coaching at your school to speak to them -fine. I think it was a classless thing for TT to do to GJ by putting him in this position in the first place. He must have known that GJ would say something that would strengthen AU's position with GB. He should've known -if he didn't- that it would more than likely come out at some point and that there would be a major backlash against GJ which TT could probably also use to his advantage by saying something like, "See, they don't really care about you. One little mistake and they will turn on you. We're a family here at AU. We would never do that. Once an Aubarn man is bought and paid for your in the Family for life.", or something along those lines. I do think it was a calculated move on TT's part and there should be something in the rules to prevent this kind of thing. It's just bad all the way around for everyone. TT, Au, GJ, and the UT fans all look bad because of this -imo.

One last thing. Does anyone know if TT has much pull with NFL scouts/teams? If I was to believe that GJ did this for some kind of personal gain -which I don't think is the case- I would be looking to see if TT was trying to use his connections/influence on GJ's behalf to try and help him get drafted or whatever that would get him a shot at being a pro. Since he didn't get an invitation to the combine I wouldn't blame him for trying to use any and all means to get his foot in the NFL door. Just one of those ...Hmmmm... kind of things.
 
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DD4ME said:
I get your points but your in the mud with us now. So "we" (dum dums by your account) win because the thread continues. BTW if you are on GJ's payroll your likely on TT's bankroll so tell him we said classy move.
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Wait... all it takes to "win" an argument on the Internet is to make sure the argument doesn't die? :blink:
 
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All indications from those connected to the football program are that Tiny was shocked at the things GJ was saying.

Where are the UT players or coaches coming around to defend the character of GJ?

The mere fact that a recruiter from an opposing team asks one of our players to talk to a recruit should tell anybody all they need to know.
 
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utvols88 said:
You're doing the same thing. Pot meet kettle.
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No. I'm pointing out that a bunch of Internet superheros have worked themselves into a fit based on supposition, and, in the process, they are suggesting that people who might have otherwise considered GJ for employment after college should rethink that possibility. Some of these people should be embarrassed by how they are acting. They weren't there, and they don't know.
 
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Volsurance said:
All indications from those connected to the football program are that Tiny was shocked at the things GJ was saying.

Where are the UT players or coaches coming around to defend the character of GJ?

The mere fact that a recruiter from an opposing team asks one of our players to talk to a recruit should tell anybody all they need to know.
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+1
 
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we've been upgraded...(I think)
 

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Vercingetorix said:
I think everybody knows that college football games matter a lot more to the fans than they do to any of the actual participants. Being at Tennessee is a business decision for the coaches and most of the players. But even so, it's unusually indecorous for a guy to be calling himself a "former Vol" and "shooting straight" with a highly prized recruit less than two months after he was wearing the uniform. Guys aren't usually quite so blatantly mercenary about it.

Is it a big deal? No, not really. Except to Jones himself, when he finally gives up on football next year and he has to figure out how to earn a living. If he was planning on doing it in Tennessee, his mouth will have cost him.
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Oh I agree. I just don't think most of these guys think past tonight and where the next party is. Allegiance to your school? Not first on the priority list for sure.

And who knows with the Cecil Newton Memorial Trust Fund down there. To get a stud recruit, you never know whose name Trooper might submit to the payroll dept if you know what I mean.
 
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