CFN ranks Dooley as 7th best coaching hire for 2010

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ukvols said:
With that much talent, 73 players is enough to be very good. That is a 3-deep at every position. I'm not going to analyze it any further than that. I'm just saying they were far from depleted at USC.
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Ummm don't the Kiffin lover's tout his number one class last year as proof he's so gifted? Funny how that was left out when needed here. I'd cut Kiff slack if I was being objective but in the same vein I'd swap his and DD's rankings.
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#52
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UT will be back. They will again, win 10 games consistently. They will win the SEC. They will be back in the national spotlight and compete for NC's.

Tennessee is on the rise. That is a great thing. After 3 years of who knows what, the Orange is going to be dominate again.

I like ur optimism... just dont see why your so optimistic. I haven't seen anything that points to this 2013 National Championship several people are predicting.
 
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2. Skip Holtz, South Florida

I thought Hammy should have at least interviewed Skip. He actually wanted to move up unlike most of the coaches that TN looked at.
 
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As for USC, Kiffin and crew did an absolutely horrible job with the talent on that USC team. Don't listen to the Kiffie sack lickers here....go and read for yourself what a stable of 4 and 5 star players that bunch of clowns had to start the season. Tremendous load of talent and they folded like Texas. It'll get worse, too....'cause they are over-recruiting skill positions (for recruiting rankings, of course) hoping the inside players they have already can perform better than last year.

So glad that whole bunch is gone from UT.
 
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volfanngaytorland said:
Well here are the rosters. Number of stars beside them.

Offense:

Barkley - 5* Bray - 4*
Tyler - 5* Poole - 3*
Havili - 4* Cooper - 3*
Woods - 5* Jones - 4*
Johnson - 5* Moore - 3*
Ellison - 4* Stocker - 3*
Kalil - 5* Thomas - 3*
Smith - 5* James - 4*
Lewis - 4* Schofield - 4*
Holmes - 4* Shaw - 3*
O' Dowd - 5* Pope - 3*

Defense:

Armstead - 4* Jackson - 4*
Horton - 4* Walker - 4*
Harris - 4* Thomas - 3*
Casey - 4* Hughes - 2*
Morgan - 4* Thompson - 3*
Smith - 4* Lathers - 3*
Kennard - 5* Reveiz - 0*
Wright - 4* Gordon - 4*
Robey - 4* Evans - 3*
Starling - 4* Waggner - 3*
McDonald - 5* Jackson - 5*

Just putting this out there. Take it how you may
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Nice...
 
#57
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I wouldn't put Kiffin ahead of Dooley. All Kiffin did this season was go 8-5 with a team laden with talent.
 
#58
#58
Kiffin's team wasn't laden with talent. They did have talent in the first deep, but not really after that. He still could have won 10 games in the Pac-10. It was weak.

Dooley could have gone 8-5. I think we got screwed in the UNC game, but the LSU game was the coaching staff's fault. It looks really bad either way.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
I think that list is a pretty good list. Off in some areas and spot on in others.

Dooley is probably right where he should be. 6-7. That is not good. However, he did some good things. Had a good plan for the most part and is recruiting for need.

If his teams don't get better by a large margin when all those freshman he played are juniors then that is unacceptable.

Kiffin is a good coach. If UT fans weren't so jilted they could probably see that. If he was still wearing Orange you would think he was as God. I just don't get the rationale sometimes.

I will repeat - Kiffin is a good coach. He has a lot more to work with that almost any other coach on that list. He also has an uphill battle with the NCAA and recruiting in the future.

What Kiffin and Dooley did this year are not comparable. The two programs will probably never be comparable as Apples to Apples. But that won't stop the comparisons to happen. UT has a long way to go to catch up to USC in terms of depth and talent at all positions.

With that said, the expectations for each are different as well. If Kiffin would have gone 6-7 this season I would have loved to see the reaction from USC. If Dooley would have gone 8-5 what would that have looked like???

The fact is that at USC an 8-5 season is on par with a 6-7 season at UT. Both, in the scheme of things, are unacceptable. Both need to show improvement. Next year both schools should be targeting 10 win seasons - UT probably falls short and ends up with 8 or 9. USC probably can get to 10, maybe 9. Both would be considered good seasons and a step in the right direction.

Dooley is a good coach. He is taking the program and putting it back together. He is doing a good job. He is recruiting for need. He is smart. He has great assistants.

UT will be back. They will again, win 10 games consistently. They will win the SEC. They will be back in the national spotlight and compete for NC's.

Tennessee is on the rise. That is a great thing. After 3 years of who knows what, the Orange is going to be dominate again.

IMO
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Excellent post that is spot on... as you typically are SpringBok. :hi:

One danger is that Dooley is right where he needs to be for either greatness or mediocrity. He didn't stink the place up as badly as he could have, but he didn't set the place on fire either.

Would of could of... stuff....
Had he figured out a way to take the game that Les gave him and won the game against US that the refs took from him, he'd be close to the top of this list. Yet, if he had dropped the UAB game like he almost did, he'd be taking some serious heat.

In the end, I'm more optimistic about his chances of doing well at UT this offseason than I was last offseason, based mostly on watching players develop during the season and on Chaney's impressive year.
 
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zjcvols said:
Kiffin's team wasn't laden with talent. They did have talent in the first deep, but not really after that. He still could have won 10 games in the Pac-10. It was weak.

Dooley could have gone 8-5. I think we got screwed in the UNC game, but the LSU game was the coaching staff's fault. It looks really bad either way.
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The LSU game is on the staff, but they did good to even get to six wins.
 
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utmba93 said:
Excellent post that is spot on... as you typically are SpringBok. :hi:

One danger is that Dooley is right where he needs to be for either greatness or mediocrity. He didn't stink the place up as badly as he could have, but he didn't set the place on fire either.

Would of could of... stuff....
Had he figured out a way to take the game that Les gave him and won the game against US that the refs took from him, he'd be close to the top of this list. Yet, if he had dropped the UAB game like he almost did, he'd be taking some serious heat.

In the end, I'm more optimistic about his chances of doing well at UT this offseason than I was last offseason, based mostly on watching players develop during the season and on Chaney's impressive year.
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Couldn't agree more.
 
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CPC had that group underperforming last season and he's arguably the best coach of the last decade. I won't hold that against kiffin -- yet.

Not to go all SGM but IMO kiffin is a decent coach and a hell of a recruiter, even though most vol fans would refuse to ever admit it.
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zjcvols said:
Kiffin's team wasn't laden with talent. They did have talent in the first deep, but not really after that. He still could have won 10 games in the Pac-10. It was weak.

Dooley could have gone 8-5. I think we got screwed in the UNC game, but the LSU game was the coaching staff's fault. It looks really bad either way.
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Four out of the last five recruiting classes were top five in the country. And they didn't have two-deep talent? Either Carroll is a really bad evaluator or the lack talent argument is really overblown.
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AstonRoyal said:
As much as I hate I will admit that I thought Kiffin was a better coach than dooley but we'll see. I'm wrong all the time and I don't mind being wrong about this.
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But as we came to realize through this painful ordeal, there's more to running a proud high profile program like Tennessee then simply 'coaching'. Dooley is a much better fit and will have a better chance for longer term success then Kiffin ever would have.

Boy wonder made several on field coaching head scratchers that a lot of folks have forgotten:
- 4th and goal against UCLA and we try to run the ball over an undersized linemen against an NFL DT
- Throwing too much against UCLA with a passing attack that had not yet jelled
- Not adjusting to Alabama's special teams strategy to overload the undersized side of Tennessee's line. We had bigger guys standing on the side-line that should have been in the protection unit
- Calling for a long field goal against Alabama with a damaged kicker versus taking one more shot to get closer with a hot QB
- Not prepared to play against VT
 
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GAVol said:
I don't think it takes a kool-aid drinker to see that USC still had some pretty good talent despite being down numbers-wise. I'm not one to denigrate Kiffin's coaching ability, but it's tragic how much they underachieved at times this year; especially on defense.
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But they looked horrible on defense at times in 09 too.
 
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milohimself said:
CPC had that group underperforming last season and he's arguably the best coach of the last decade. I won't hold that against kiffin -- yet.

Not to go all SGM but IMO kiffin is a decent coach and a hell of a recruiter, even though most vol fans would refuse to ever admit it.
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I agree with all of this. Kiffin hasn't proven to be a great HC, but he surrounds himself with top notch assistants and can get the best players from anywhere in the country.
 
#68
#68
Let's take a look at what these coaches do over the next five years, then rank the 2010 coach hirings. Ranking them now is pointless. I'm confident Dooley will be near the top once he brings the VOLS back to the SEC's top tier.
 
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cotton said:
Kentucky, Vandy, Ole Miss, UTM, Memphis, and UAB aren't exactly murderer's row.
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On that subject, Memphis may have been the worst football I have seen on the field in 20 years...and the Middle Tennessee State team they defeated? If I recall they were down to their third string QB in that game due to injuries...Now I know his talent level is bad and their recruiting this year is better....but Larry Porter showed why its not only a good idea to hire someone with at least 5 years of coordinator experience in most cases, you'll probably be better served with someone that has a few years of HCing experience in D2....
 
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tennrich1 said:
On that subject, Memphis may have been the worst football I have seen on the field in 20 years...
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Memphis was awful, and Vanderbilt might have been the worst SEC squad in modern history. I will state it again--our best win of the season by far was over a Kentucky team that finished 2-6 in the conference.
 
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bUTrosbUTrosVOLie said:
…. Don't listen to the Kiffie sack lickers here.....
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bUTrosbUTrosVOLie said:
…. I never would have thought they could have found so many men that love to "dish" on everything....or lick sack on cue…..
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bUTrosbUTrosVOLie said:
……. Memory, not a trait favored much by the media sack lickers. …...
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bUTrosbUTrosVOLie said:
Oh boy, another thread just packed with Kiffie's bag boyz licking away…...
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Freudian
 
#73
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justingroves said:
I agree with all of this. Kiffin hasn't proven to be a great HC, but he surrounds himself with top notch assistants and can get the best players from anywhere in the country.
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I can too but to act like the rosters are similar is false IYAM.
 
#75
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What bothers me about that list, UT could have probably hired every coach ranked ahead of Dooley except Kiffin and Kelly. Had the timing been better:


1. Jimbo Fisher, Florida State
2. Skip Holtz, South Florida
3. Charlie Strong, Louisville
4. Brian Kelly, Notre Dame
5. Tommy Tuberville, Texas Tech
6. Lane Kiffin, USC
7. Derek Dooley, Tennessee
 
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