watching Boise St. defense...

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SEC Nightmare said:
Question? Why do so many of you want to reference "last year" while trying to make a point about another team?
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because the garbage preseason ranking crap, which is how this game had any merit toward crowning Boise a future BCS contender, is based almost solely on last season.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
because the garbage preseason ranking crap, which is how this game had any merit toward crowning Boise a future BCS contender, is based almost solely on last season.
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VT is a new team, and Boise is much improved. They will destroy their schedule and end up in the BCS title game *if a there's no one undefeated in the Big 10 or Big 12.

Where I feel sorry for Boise is that they make offers to play alot of BCS schools and get turned down all the time. And the worst part is that they are not asking for a return game. Basically, they are willing to come to your house and pound your ass.... They have my respect.
 
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C-town Vol said:
Right now I have one great anxiety about our game with Oregon...watching this Boise defense...I'm not sure that we have more talent on defense than they do...which makes me concerned that the Wilcox advantage against Oregon may not be what we hoped.
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Since there are folks here who seem to think UT can't possibly have less "talent" than Boise on D, I'll rephrase for you to "football playing ability" and agree with you. Boise's line is more impressive than ours. I think our LBs looked excellent against that high school team and the DBs may end up being as good as anybody's (though Art "toast" Evans scares me). Also, it's still a new system to all of them, so I look for a broken play or two going a long way (for Oregon that is).

Having said that, I'm much more worried that we won't even have half a dozen first downs against their defense; and maybe 2 or 3 ints as well. Seemed like Simms didn't read at all, the receivers got NO separation on their patterns, the holes weren't as big as they will need to be this week and the runners won't be able to outrun Oregon's defense like they did the high schoolers. On the other had, Chaney did like getting the ball up the field which is nice to see for a change. And, as much as we'll miss GJones, at least Simms won't stare him down every play. Time for Hunter to rise up?
 
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SEC Nightmare said:
VT is a new team, and Boise is much improved. They will destroy their schedule and end up in the BCS title game *if a there's no one undefeated in the Big 10 or Big 12.

Where I feel sorry for Boise is that they make offers to play alot of BCS schools and get turned down all the time. And the worst part is that they are not asking for a return game. Basically, they are willing to come to your house and pound your ass.... They have my respect.
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Really? Who are they offering to show up and play and what are the details of being declined? You're acting as if they pick up the phone, ask to play and ADs run scared because it's Boise St. The logistics of scheduling generally precludes exactly what you're describing here. If they want to sign up Oklahoma, it's a process and won't be in place for nearly a decade.
 
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Canard said:
Maybe the bigger actual concern should be that largely the same Ducks defense that held down that BSU offense to 17 offensive points on their home turf despite 44 minutes of possession is coming to Neyland.
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logic and smart observations aren't part of sports message boards:whistling:


fwiw....I have made this point before. It was the defense that allowed the offense to catch up last year while breaking in new starters on the line during the utah and purdue games (two years in a row against purdue, think we just match up well, still won though...same styles). Now they are trying to break in a qb who looks to have control of the team which was great to see. Good thing for him he can hand the ball off to two very good RB's and have a defense that will be flying to the ball. The players aren't high on that 72-0 victory, they can't wait to come to Tennessee. :blink:

A lot can happen on the road. I can't wait for this game. I have also said I don't think the ducks cover if they win. I believe they do win and it could get ugly but I doubt it does. Tennessee aren't chumps.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Really? Who are they offering to show up and play and what are the details of being declined? You're acting as if they pick up the phone, ask to play and ADs run scared because it's Boise St. The logistics of scheduling generally precludes exactly what you're describing here. If they want to sign up Oklahoma, it's a process and won't be in place for nearly a decade.
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Boise BCS blocked - College Football - Rivals.com

Why Won't the Nebraska Cornhuskers Play the Boise State Broncos in 2011? | Bleacher Report

Bleymaier and WAC commissioner Karl Benson have both said that a number of BCS conference schools have turned down the Broncos. They aren't naming names, probably for understandable reasons.
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Boise also made offers to 10 big name schools and all 10 turned them down. I remind you that Boise was offering to travel to their house and play without a return game.

Have you been living in a cave? This is really old news..
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Good post totally agree. I think one key to this game for Tennessee is keeping the d-line fresh. I know you guys appear to be thin along the d-line. If this is true, Oregon will have a good shot at wearing them down. If that happens Oregon will be scoring quickly.

I think the key for Tennessee is to keep the Oregon offense on the sideline with 3 and outs and have sustained drives on the offensive side of the ball.
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That's basically always the key. It's just about a step short of saying we need to "score more points than them." But yeah, it will be helpful if we can reliably run the ball 4 and 5 yards at a time.
 
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SEC Nightmare said:
Boise BCS blocked - College Football - Rivals.com

Why Won't the Nebraska Cornhuskers Play the Boise State Broncos in 2011? | Bleacher Report



Boise also made offers to 10 big name schools and all 10 turned them down. I remind you that Boise was offering to travel to their house and play without a return game.

Have you been living in a cave? This is really old news..
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It's really old news that is all purely horsecrap hearsay and none of the legit reasons are ever publicized. If you want to pretend that big time programs are dodging BSU, that's your prerogative, but the reasons make perfect sense to me.

There is no economic benefit to Nebraska playing BSU and they certainly don't need a BSU win to get anywhere. BSU absolutely needs big programs to rearrange schedules and play them. Until this weak BCS beauty contest is gone, I'd tell them to screw themselves and find their own way into the BCS.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
It's really old news that is all purely horsecrap hearsay and none of the legit reasons are ever publicized. If you want to pretend that big time programs are dodging BSU, that's your prerogative, but the reasons make perfect sense to me.

There is no economic benefit to Nebraska playing BSU and they certainly don't need a BSU win to get anywhere. BSU absolutely needs big programs to rearrange schedules and play them. Until this weak BCS beauty contest is gone, I'd tell them to screw themselves and find their own way into the BCS.
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this is the entire problem, Boise wants the image of being willing to play anyone but isn't willing to take a cut in pay to do so and there just isn't any incentive for a "name" school to shell out 1 million to boise when they can get someone else to come in for 350k.

this is an old article but still illuminating
Boise State athletic director Gene Bleymaier acknowledges scheduling issues - ESPN
 
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BigPapaVol said:
It's really old news that is all purely horsecrap hearsay and none of the legit reasons are ever publicized. If you want to pretend that big time programs are dodging BSU, that's your prerogative, but the reasons make perfect sense to me.

There is no economic benefit to Nebraska playing BSU and they certainly don't need a BSU win to get anywhere. BSU absolutely needs big programs to rearrange schedules and play them. Until this weak BCS beauty contest is gone, I'd tell them to screw themselves and find their own way into the BCS.
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And your reasons are legit? Now that's the pot calling the Kettle black. The motivation is $$ and potentially a win over a high ranked opponent who's willing to come to your house and play with no strings attached. THERE IS PLENTY OF ECONOMIC BENEFIT.

For all the crap talked about Boise they generate $$.
 
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SEC Nightmare said:
And your reasons are legit? Now that's the pot calling the Kettle black. The motivation is $$ and potentially a win over a high ranked opponent who's willing to come to your house and play with no strings attached. THERE IS PLENTY OF ECONOMIC BENEFIT.

For all the crap talked about Boise they generate $$.
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How is the motivation $$? How does Nebraska make a red dime playing BSU? Surely you understand that Boise is extorting money in its offer to come play, no?
 
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Duckweed said:
this is the entire problem, Boise wants the image of being willing to play anyone but isn't willing to take a cut in pay to do so and there just isn't any incentive for a "name" school to shell out 1 million to boise when they can get someone else to come in for 350k.

this is an old article but still illuminating
Boise State athletic director Gene Bleymaier acknowledges scheduling issues - ESPN
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Can't believe you would post an article not read it..smh..

Boise's asking price is market dictated.

[That money] is really what the market is dictating," Bleymaier said. "There are a number of schools that are paying that type of money for a guarantee game, so we would like to get what's out there in the market."

Boise State is getting $1.25 million to play Virginia Tech at FedEx Field next year, which is the highest guarantee in both school and Western Athletic Conference history. The only number that comes close is the reported $1 million San Jose State is getting to play at Alabama in next year's season opener.
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SEC Nightmare said:
Can't believe you would post an article not read it..smh..

Boise's asking price is market dictated.
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the price is market driven, according to the guy giving the interview who's trying to justify his own position and amplify the "poor beaten up" Boise message.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
How is the motivation $$? How does Nebraska make a red dime playing BSU? Surely you understand that Boise is extorting money in its offer to come play, no?
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These big schools pay huge money to lesser opponents. I guarantee having a game against Boise will more than cover what they are asking for.
 
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SEC Nightmare said:
These big schools pay huge money to lesser opponents. I guarantee having a game against Boise will more that cover what they are asking for.
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These big schools can more than cover everyone that they pay to play. They make no more over a Boise sellout than they do an Arkansas State sellout.
 
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SEC Nightmare said:
Can't believe you would post an article not read it..smh..

Boise's asking price is market dictated.
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of course i read it, market dictated is fine but you can't piss and moan about no one wanting to play you if you don't give them an incentive to. jmo
 
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BigPapaVol said:
These big schools can more than cover everyone that they pay to play. They make no more over a Boise sellout than they do an Arkansas State sellout.
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So seeing as how the big schools are paying big money to lesser opponents, you don't see the logic in scheduling a team like Boise who will actually help generate profits from a game. For instance, I'm sure VT is going to walk away with a nice piece of change from last nights game. And keep in mind Boise was the big draw there..
 
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SEC Nightmare said:
So seeing as how the big schools are paying big money to lesser opponents, you don't see the logic in scheduling a team like Boise who will actually help generate profits from a game. For instance, I'm sure VT is going to walk away with a nice piece of change from last nights game. And keep in mind Boise was the big draw there..
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they both generate similar levels of income and one costs less to play. Does that help with the profitability question?

VT will make less money from that game than they would from a sold out game in Blacksburg, period. The fact that they can't sellout Blacksburg against a patsy is their problem, so they have to do things like this.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
they both generate similar levels of income and one costs less to play. Does that help with the profitability question?

VT will make less money from that game than they would from a sold out game in Blacksburg, period. The fact that they can't sellout Blacksburg against a patsy is their problem, so they have to do things like this.
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So you're saying that television ratings vs Boise State would be no different than the ones against the cupcakes that they pay millions to? Right now Boise is a cash cow...people want to see them play. I'd be surprised if last nights game didn't set some kind of record.
 
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SEC Nightmare said:
So you're saying that television ratings vs Boise State would be no different than the ones against the cupcakes that they pay millions to?
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how would television ratings help VT? Maybe you don't understand how this financial thing works.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
how would television ratings help VT? Maybe you don't understand how this financial thing works.
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No college football team is a for-profit entity, as per NCAA regulations, but they are all worth money; the amount a team is worth simply depends of the status, patronage, winning record and ticket sales of the football team. Big time games play into this tremendously. Ratings and the general exposure it brings and raise a programs profit margin. Money always finds it's way back to the schools with good TV shares and viewership and don't think it's not on the minds of the BCS committee when they "pick" teams to play in their bowls.
 
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SEC Nightmare said:
No college football team is a for-profit entity, as per NCAA regulations, but they are all worth money; the amount a team is worth simply depends of the status, patronage, winning record and ticket sales of the football team. Big time games play into this tremendously. Ratings and the general exposure it brings and raise a programs profit margin. Money always finds it's way back to the schools with good TV shares and viewership.
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I assume you're going to answer the question later?
 
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SEC Nightmare said:
If you don't understand how money generated by schools is redistributed to those schools than thats your problem.
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again, when are you going to answer the question? It has nothing at all to do with athletic departments technically being profitable.

I asked how high ratings might make VT more money and you have me some longwinded gobbledygook about reputation meaning more money in the long run. If VT blows Boise to kingdom come last night, their reputation is exactly the same today as it was previously. If they lose, it gets worse. There was no benefit to them aside from potential beauty contest points should they win and Boise run the table. Didn't work out and they still haven't made any more money than they would have by playing in Blacksburg.
 
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