Tennessee under NCAA investigation over use of recruiting hostesses

#276
#276
kiffinator13 said:
Give me a break. Purposely sending hostesses to hold up a sign saying "Come to Tennessee" at a game where I'm sure there are coaches from other rival SEC schools could not possibly be kept quiet. That is why I don't think we were behind them going.
Click to expand...

Been kept quiet for this long, hasn't it?? :)
 
#277
#277
kiffinator13 said:
So, if the NCAA starts an investigation, the school has the burden of proving that they weren't engaged in that activity? I always thought that the NCAA must find some actual evidence to impose sanctions; thus, it would seem the burden is on them.
Click to expand...

Well, in the one case I had to deal with directly. This athlete 'allegedly' signed a professional contract (even though it was 200 a month). The university and the athlete were given sanctions because they 'interviewed' sources that confirmed the story. They did find a few paper trails, but it wasn't necessarily connected to that. Nonetheless, it sucked because that team suffered without the athlete. Ironically, the person who handed down the sanctions was a UT rep. It's basically if the NCAA feels it is right.

It's like the NLI rule, it's legally not binding in the court of law, but in the NCAA's eyes, it is.
 
#279
#279
ugotamber said:
I'm assuming that players being "friends" with recruits on social networking sites would fall under this category right? I guess in this case, they better hire half of the US to interview and investigate all the social networking sites!!! GRRRRR
Click to expand...

I feel like fans would be much harder to prove as "extensions of the university" as opposed to actual students, especially hostesses who are part of the athletic department at least in some capacity...
 
#280
#280
ugotamber said:
I'm assuming that players being "friends" with recruits on social networking sites would fall under this category right? I guess in this case, they better hire half of the US to interview and investigate all the social networking sites!!! GRRRRR
Click to expand...

Networking sites are another beast that the NCAA is working with universities and trying to figure out how to monitor.
 
#282
#282
g8terh8ter_eric said:
So, let me pose this another way....

If a member of the athletic department has any outside affiliation with a recruit and their families, and someone thinks that they are having that relationship without being prejudice to the school they are working for at the time, then either that person is extremely naive or the NCAA would be at that point as well, IMO.
Click to expand...

How do you get around that all kinds of our players text and communicate with recruits on facebook, myspace, etc. and this somehow does not violate NCAA rules, but if a hostess does it, it somehow does. Are players not considered "representatives of the University" just as hostesses are?
 
#283
#283
tvolsfan said:
That still seems like a really stupid idea. It's out in the open.
Click to expand...

I'm sure that there are many things out in the open that the average UT fan doesn't know about. Of course, in recruiting, if you aren't trying to bend the rules then you aren't recruiting effectively.
 
#284
#284
Also, I'm sure someone has already mentioned this, but this investigation has been rumored for a while apparently. So, I'm sure the recruits who have recently committed to us and the ones who have recently affirmed their commitments to us knew of this investigation and must not think it is going to amount to anything.
 
#285
#285
kiffinator13 said:
How do you get around that all kinds of our players text and communicate with recruits on facebook, myspace, etc. and this somehow does not violate NCAA rules, but if a hostess does it, it somehow does. Are players not considered "representatives of the University" just as hostesses are?
Click to expand...

The difference is a lot of these athletes have met each other through summer camps, etc. A lot of the top recruits Tennessee kids start going to camps as sophomores, etc.

If the NCAA were to ask a student-athlete if he messaged a recruit he could say , 'Yeah, I did, we attended a summer camp, played against each other in high school, etc.'
 
#286
#286
kiffinator13 said:
How do you get around that all kinds of our players text and communicate with recruits on facebook, myspace, etc. and this somehow does not violate NCAA rules, but if a hostess does it, it somehow does. Are players not considered "representatives of the University" just as hostesses are?
Click to expand...

I've not seen, out in the open, players "directly communicating" with recruits. They are not allowed to at all. Everyone on this board falls underneath the "official representative" category if you call yourself a fan of the school. The only way if you can get away with that is being media credentialed, IIRC.
 
#287
#287
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I've not seen, out in the open, players "directly communicating" with recruits. They are not allowed to at all. Everyone on this board falls underneath the "official representative" category if you call yourself a fan of the school. The only way if you can get away with that is being media credentialed, IIRC.
Click to expand...

The general rule is if the athlete is getting special treatment because of something then it is a violation. Let's say you want to buy 'Recruit' an ice cream cone, but he's with 10 of his buddies. You have to buy his 10 buddies an ice cream cone too because then you aren't showing favoritism because you want him to play football at Tennessee.
 
#288
#288
g8terh8ter_eric said:
But the burden of proof... :eek:hmy:

:)
Click to expand...
Wow. That has nothing to do with what he said.

g8terh8ter_eric said:
So, let me pose this another way....

If a member of the athletic department has any outside affiliation with a recruit and their families, and someone thinks that they are having that relationship without being prejudice to the school they are working for at the time, then either that person is extremely naive or the NCAA would be at that point as well, IMO.
Click to expand...

Hostesses are not members of the athletic dept. They are students acting on the behalf of the university when they are hosting recruits. On their own time they are simply other students. It's not like we are paying them more than the allotted amount to go to HS football games.

Prejudice, as you put it, is irrelevant. Most anyone attending a game has a school they root for. Many bring signs.

The NCAA can't go around and police HS football games and throw anyone wearing College school colors under the microscope.
 
#289
#289
Sabanocchio said:
Wow. That has nothing to do with what he said.



Hostesses are not members of the athletic dept. They are students acting on the behalf of the university when they are hosting recruits. On their own time they are simply other students. It's not like we are paying them more than the allotted amount to go to HS football games.

Prejudice, as you put it, is irrelevant. Most anyone attending a game has a school they root for. Many bring signs.

The NCAA can't go around and police HS football games and throw anyone wearing College school colors under the microscope.
Click to expand...

Generally speaking at places I have been, hostesses are given scholarships. It might be 200 bucks, but that would be 'payment.'
 
#290
#290
Meh, the NCAA is pissed at us.

I don't really think the folks at the New York Times understand how borderline absurdly serious the girls that sign up for hostessing are about Tennessee football and how much they care about winning.

Seeing some hostesses drive 200 miles on their own dime to a HS game in the hopes of pulling in a recruit doesn't seem absurd to me, hell we have guys on the message boards that do that. It doesn't hurt that most of the girls are pretty well off.
 
#291
#291
Sabanocchio said:
Wow. That has nothing to do with what he said.



Hostesses are not members of the athletic dept. They are students acting on the behalf of the university when they are hosting recruits. On their own time they are simply other students. It's not like we are paying them more than the allotted amount to go to HS football games.

Prejudice, as you put it, is irrelevant. Most anyone attending a game has a school they root for. Many bring signs.

The NCAA can't go around and police HS football games and throw anyone wearing College school colors under the microscope.
Click to expand...

Exactly. The NCAA isn't going to start throwing out punishments because the Hostesses going to the game looks bad even though they have no proof of any wrongdoing.
 
#292
#292
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I've not seen, out in the open, players "directly communicating" with recruits.
Click to expand...
Then you have paid no attention. I bet you 90% of the posters in the recruiting forum have seen or heard of players "directly communicating" with recruits.
They are not allowed to at all. Everyone on this board falls underneath the "official representative" category if you call yourself a fan of the school. The only way if you can get away with that is being media credentialed, IIRC.
Click to expand...

Incorrect. They are absolutely allowed to. You don't need a media badge to message a recruit on facebook and ask how his season is going.
 
#293
#293
blueraiderfan07 said:
The general rule is if the athlete is getting special treatment because of something then it is a violation. Let's say you want to buy 'Recruit' an ice cream cone, but he's with 10 of his buddies. You have to buy his 10 buddies an ice cream cone too because then you aren't showing favoritism because you want him to play football at Tennessee.
Click to expand...

Very true. The problem is, as a fan and not knowing the rules, people tend to do stupid things when they should stay out of the way.

I got to meet Tyler Bray outside Calhoun's after the WKU game, but didn't say a word to him.
 
#294
#294
Sabanocchio said:
Then you have paid no attention. I bet you 90% of the posters in the recruiting forum have seen or heard of players "directly communicating" with recruits.


Incorrect. They are absolutely allowed to. You don't need a media badge to message a recruit on facebook and ask how his season is going.
Click to expand...

That's a B-I-G violation. Don't recommend doing that. Had that happen last year and the kid had to be banned from all athletic events.

Okay, let me rephrase that... 'big' secondary violation.
 
#296
#296
blueraiderfan07 said:
Generally speaking at places I have been, hostesses are given scholarships. It might be 200 bucks, but that would be 'payment.'
Click to expand...

Unless things have changed, at UT it is volunteer. Most girls I knew used it to meet guys or put it on their resume. One ended up with several coaches serving as references after she graduated.
 
#298
#298
Sabanocchio said:
Then you have paid no attention. I bet you 90% of the posters in the recruiting forum have seen or heard of players "directly communicating" with recruits.


Incorrect. They are absolutely allowed to. You don't need a media badge to message a recruit on facebook and ask how his season is going.
Click to expand...

Your right, but it's just plain creepy to do so.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement





Back
Top