Tennessee under NCAA investigation over use of recruiting hostesses

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GoBigOrangeVols said:
mass hysteria setting in. I'm headed to the 24 hour publix to stock up on dry goods and canned food. The Vol Navy is taking on water.:hmm:
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Haha I didn't know they were open 24 hours. I used to work at one. The slightest hint of snow sent people crazy and they would come in and stock up on everything...
 
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cgroce30 said:
What do you mean by 'wide' investigation?
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Two different meanings:

1)
Where the NCAA comes in, looks at everything from janitor to LK to MH in the football department. They talk to pretty much everyone from admins, media relations, coaches, players, host groups, secretaries, etc. Then they talk with their outside sources who filed the violation reports. Then they compare notes to see if all of Tennessee people were pretty much consistent in their answers and nothing fishy around.

2) But a wide ranging athletic department investigation would entail the NCAA to look at every sport, see where the host and hostesses are involved and figure out why this violation happened.

I'd suspect number 2 is more likely, but number 1 could happen due to the media scrutiny lately.
 
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VolFromNashville said:
Haha I didn't know they were open 24 hours. I used to work at one. The slightest hint of snow sent people crazy and they would come in and stock up on everything...
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The one near me down here in So. Fla is 24 hours. I'm a broke law student though so I can't afford the Publix in all reality... haha I'm stuck at the local winn-dixie for a couple more years!
 
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blueraiderfan07 said:
Two different meanings:

1)
Where the NCAA comes in, looks at everything from janitor to LK to MH in the football department. They talk to pretty much everyone from admins, media relations, coaches, players, host groups, secretaries, etc. Then they talk with their outside sources who filed the violation reports. Then they compare notes to see if all of Tennessee people were pretty much consistent in their answers and nothing fishy around.

2) But a wide ranging athletic department investigation would entail the NCAA to look at every sport, see where the host and hostesses are involved and figure out why this violation happened.

I'd suspect number 2 is more likely, but number 1 could happen due to the media scrutiny lately.
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oh, thank you much.:hi:
 
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Hostesses itself is really not a big deal. Every school has a group of pretty girls helps recruiting, and all of them are really engaging in borderline stuff: like showing the recruits "the night life" in town, developing a "friendship" beyond the one between tour guide and guest, exchanging test messages regularly, etc.

I have read article about the parents of one SEC recruits complained about at the dinner of his son's official visit, the hostesses almost sit on his son's laps, and all those stuff. I mean everybody is doing it, but they are doing it at home. You bring those stuff out there in front of everybody, especially in front of your rivals, you know what's coming.

By the way, I think hostesses do represent university. Everyone of them is hand-picked and trained by the University. They represent the university in school functions, most of which are campus recruiting events.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
They will have to prove that they are not, and I guarantee you "Come to UT!" is not a text message that any hostess sent any recruit. If you watch what they post on Facebook and even the care which they take not to discuss recruits and their prospects of attending this university you would realize that the utmost care has been taken here.

As far as the signs, that isn't any different than any sign students make for the recruits urging them to attend UT, UNLESS they were sent by the University. But the NCAA is going to have a hard time proving that.
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Honestly, it seems like you think that these hostesses took all this on by themselves and did it while not representing the university. It's kind of hard for them not to do that at any particular point in time, when they are part of the Athletic Dept. If they took everything upon themselves, then as has been stated, Compliance should be chastised for letting this happen.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
The one near me down here in So. Fla is 24 hours. I'm a broke law student though so I can't afford the Publix in all reality... haha I'm stuck at the local winn-dixie for a couple more years!
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haha I feel you. Publix is more expensive than other chains. I guess the closer to FL you are, they are open later. The one I worked at closed at 10pm lol.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Honestly, it seems like you think that these hostesses took all this on by themselves and did it while not representing the university. It's kind of hard for them not to do that at any particular point in time, when they are part of the Athletic Dept. If they took everything upon themselves, then as has been stated, Compliance should be chastised for letting this happen.
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I agree. I think this is more of a failure in the compliance department rather than an actual failure from the coaching staff. I have worked in NCAA athletics for a few years now and my god I still don't know all the rules. You would at least think the compliance office would keep a tight eye on their hostesses.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Honestly, it seems like you think that these hostesses took all this on by themselves and did it while not representing the university. It's kind of hard for them not to do that at any particular point in time, when they are part of the Athletic Dept. If they took everything upon themselves, then as has been stated, Compliance should be chastised for letting this happen.
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Dude, what don't you understand about the burden of proof being on the NCAA? If it was a given that these people were representing UT, this would have happened much earlier and penalties would already have been handed down!

It happens at every DI school. Why don't you understand that? Miami hostesses were messaging Bryce Brown all the time last year and you never heard anything come of that. Compliance okays this. Be sure of it. Or do you think that they weren't aware of Lacy Pearl Earp's Facebook marriage to Bryce Brown? Come on, MAN!

You're missing on this, Eric. Again. :wink:
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Dude, what don't you understand about the burden of proof being on the NCAA? If it was a given that these people were representing UT, this would have happened much earlier and penalties would already have been handed down!

It happens at every DI school. Why don't you understand that? Miami hostesses were messaging Bryce Brown all the time last year and you never heard anything come of that. Compliance okays this. Be sure of it. Or do you think that they weren't aware of Lacy Pearl Earp's Facebook marriage to Bryce Brown? Come on, MAN!

You're missing on this, Eric. Again. :wink:
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If you say so. :good!:
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Dude, what don't you understand about the burden of proof being on the NCAA? If it was a given that these people were representing UT, this would have happened much earlier and penalties would already have been handed down!

It happens at every DI school. Why don't you understand that? Miami hostesses were messaging Bryce Brown all the time last year and you never heard anything come of that.

You're missing on this, Eric. Again. :wink:
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The difference is the compliance offices at other schools must be doing a better job of 'going around the rules.' There are plenty of ways to bend the rules, you just got to know how to do it. And if you do it, make sure that others know how it to do it with out a paper or electronic trail.
 
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blueraiderfan07 said:
I agree. I think this is more of a failure in the compliance department rather than an actual failure from the coaching staff. I have worked in NCAA athletics for a few years now and my god I still don't know all the rules. You would at least think the compliance office would keep a tight eye on their hostesses.
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Compliance has their limitations. They cannot constantly monitor the activities and whereabouts of everyone in and affiliated with the AD.
 
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blueraiderfan07 said:
The difference is the compliance offices at other schools must be doing a better job of 'going around the rules.' There are plenty of ways to bend the rules, you just got to know how to do it. And if you do it, make sure that others know how it to do it with out a paper or electronic trail.
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But the burden of proof... :eek:hmy:

:)
 
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I find it hard to imagine anyone associated with the university told hostesses to go hold up signs at a high school game. Doesn't seem like something that you could really keep that quiet.
 
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GoVols2003 said:
Compliance has their limitations. They cannot constantly monitor the activities and whereabouts of everyone in and affiliated with the AD.
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Yes, I agree. But at least teach them rules about how to avoid getting into trouble. There are plenty of ways to do things to get an advantage in the NCAA without getting caught.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I find it hard to imagine anyone associated with the university told hostesses to go hold up signs at a high school game. Doesn't seem like something that you could really keep that quiet.
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I think most would be surprised at what can be kept quiet, IMO.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
But the burden of proof... :eek:hmy:

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So, if the NCAA starts an investigation, the school has the burden of proving that they weren't engaged in that activity? I always thought that the NCAA must find some actual evidence to impose sanctions; thus, it would seem the burden is on them.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I think most would be surprised at what can be kept quiet, IMO.
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Give me a break. Purposely sending hostesses to hold up a sign saying "Come to Tennessee" at a game where I'm sure there are coaches from other rival SEC schools could not possibly be kept quiet. That is why I don't think we were behind them going.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Players aren't supposed to have direct contact either with recruits when they are off campus. What's your point?? It's a rule that is bent beyond belief, I am sure, but it's still a violation.
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I'm assuming that players being "friends" with recruits on social networking sites would fall under this category right? I guess in this case, they better hire half of the US to interview and investigate all the social networking sites!!! GRRRRR
 
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blueraiderfan07 said:
Yes, I agree. But at least teach them rules about how to avoid getting into trouble. There are plenty of ways to do things to get an advantage in the NCAA without getting caught.
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IIRC from my time in the UTAD, they have to attend some type of training of what is and is not allowed. I guess, driving to a HS 200 miles away just made it on to their "things to teach future hostesses" list.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
So, if the NCAA starts an investigation, the school has the burden of proving that they weren't engaged in that activity? I always thought that the NCAA must find some actual evidence to impose sanctions; thus, it would seem the burden is on them.
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So, let me pose this another way....

If a member of the athletic department has any outside affiliation with a recruit and their families, and someone thinks that they are having that relationship without being prejudice to the school they are working for at the time, then either that person is extremely naive or the NCAA would be at that point as well, IMO.
 
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