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Volnanza said:
I've said before and Ill say it again. The WORLD was stupid for allowing basically a zero contingency strategy to exist and not do anything about it. The west has been hostage to the threat of closing the straights for decades and done NOTHING about it. What did Rockefeller do when the rail road refused to carry his oil??? He built a pipeline and went around. It's time for a permanent fix.
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Of course it wasn't closed until we preemptively attacked Iran. Since we bombed them last summer too, don't you think that maybe we should have had a contingency plan prior to this attack? It's amateur hour for this administration in the manner in which they do everything
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Of course it wasn't closed until we preemptively attacked Iran. Since we bombed them last summer too, don't you think that maybe we should have had a contingency plan prior to this attack? It's amateur hour for this administration in the manner in which they do everything
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It should have been done 50 years ago.
 
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Volnanza said:
It should have been done 50 years ago.
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Yes, but at the same time, easy to say right now if you are behind Trump's chaotic, poorly planned attempt to change things. We have been relatively clear of dedicated and direct military presence in Western Asia, way beyond our normal operations there, for about 5 years until Trump. Yeah, we exercised our unmatched military upon them with a Stealth bombing run last summer. Ooooooh!😉

It was a perfect opportunity for Trump, entering his 2nd term, to affect positive change in the region diplomatically. Since he has no understanding of how to do that, we get "they say death to America", and, "we have been at war with them for 47 years".😆

Hey, let's show off our military. I want to stick my chest out. There aren't going to be any adverse, strategic consequences
 
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They sure dont mind advertising their plans. They are adamant on keeping the fuel though. If they dont want nukes, then shouldnt an agreement to share uranium for a power plant be feasible?
 
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Orangeburst said:


They sure dont mind advertising their plans. They are adamant on keeping the fuel though. If they dont want nukes, then shouldnt an agreement to share uranium for a power plant be feasible?
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At the beginning of the negotiations we offered to supply for free enriched uranium for their nuclear power plants on a long-term basis but they rejected that offer. They are in pursuit of a nuclear weapon.
 
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CobbVol said:
At the beginning of the negotiations we offered to supply for free enriched uranium for their nuclear power plants on a long-term basis but they rejected that offer. They are in pursuit of a nuclear weapon.
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Well, they haven't had any restrictions since the first Trump term. Since he tore up the agreement which, at least slowed progression, they have been on unfiltered quest for complete enrichment since.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Of course it wasn't closed until we preemptively attacked Iran. Since we bombed them last summer too, don't you think that maybe we should have had a contingency plan prior to this attack? It's amateur hour for this administration in the manner in which they do everything
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I will agree they are not handling this well but let’s not pretend Obama or Biden or any other President has handled it well either.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Yes, but at the same time, easy to say right now if you are behind Trump's chaotic, poorly planned attempt to change things. We have been relatively clear of dedicated and direct military presence in Western Asia, way beyond our normal operations there, for about 5 years until Trump. Yeah, we exercised our unmatched military upon them with a Stealth bombing run last summer. Ooooooh!😉

It was a perfect opportunity for Trump, entering his 2nd term, to affect positive change in the region diplomatically. Since he has no understanding of how to do that, we get "they say death to America", and, "we have been at war with them for 47 years".😆

Hey, let's show off our military. I want to stick my chest out. There aren't going to be any adverse, strategic consequences
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I’m not going back and look but were you as critical of Biden’s way he left Afghan? If so, your point has merit. If not, you’re partisan.

I personally don’t know a single president in my lifetime who hasn’t botched that area when entering it.
 
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NEO said:
I will agree they are not handling this well but let’s not pretend Obama or Biden or any other President has handled it well either.
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The fact that Trump and others have expressed surprise at Iran's closing of the strait is downright mystifying. Literally every commentator to opine on this in the last 15 years has begun their discussion with "and then Iran will close the Strait of Hormuz...."
 
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lawgator1 said:
The fact that Trump and others have expressed surprise at Iran's closing of the strait is downright mystifying. Literally every commentator to opine on this in the last 15 years has begun their discussion with "and then Iran will close the Strait of Hormuz...."
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Will not disagree but were you critical of Obama when he unfroze their funds?

If so, point has merit. If not, you’re partisan.

I am thoroughly pissed right now and if we do give them a dime I am done voting period probably.


You take the damn country and strait or you don’t go in at all.

Viet nam 2.0 without boots on the ground.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The fact that Trump and others have expressed surprise at Iran's closing of the strait is downright mystifying. Literally every commentator to opine on this in the last 15 years has begun their discussion with "and then Iran will close the Strait of Hormuz...."
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NEO said:
I’m not going back and look but were you as critical of Biden’s way he left Afghan? If so, your point has merit. If not, you’re partisan.

I personally don’t know a single president in my lifetime who hasn’t botched that area when entering it.
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That you think my post MIGHT not have any merit just because I might not have openly criticized Biden's withdrawal of Afghanistan is silly. One has nothing to do with the other. FTR I did criticize it. That really doesn't make my point any more credible. Surely you're not that dense
 
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NEO said:
I will agree they are not handling this well but let’s not pretend Obama or Biden or any other President has handled it well either.
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I am not going to support anything the clown Biden did. The Strait wasn't closed before this silly and impulsive act. No other President except for Trump stumbled off into a war with them impulsively for the wrong reasons. Handled it well? Damn, man, you realize we were in a two decade war with Afghanistan and Iraq. It's silly to try to rationalize Trump's actions against the last 3 Presidents. It's a godddddam joke how he and his administration have handled this, not to mention the embarrassment and lost respect with our allies and the rest of the world
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
I am not going to support anything the clown Biden did. The Strait wasn't closed before this silly and impulsive act. No other President except for Trump stumbled off into a war with them impulsively for the wrong reasons. Handled it well? Damn, man, you realize we were in a two decade war with Afghanistan and Iraq. It's silly to try to rationalize Trump's actions against the last 3 Presidents. It's a godddddam joke how he and his administration have handled this, not to mention the embarrassment and lost respect with our allies and the rest of the world
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No other president? You don’t remember weapons of mass destruction?

Also, hearing from a top clearance guy that one major problem we have is we killed so many leaders they can’t get on the same page over there now and that is causing major issues.

Either way, Obama f’d this up too releasing frozen funds.

It’s been a crap show since Carter.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
That you think my post MIGHT not have any merit just because I might not have openly criticized Biden's withdrawal of Afghanistan is silly. One has nothing to do with the other. FTR I did criticize it. That really doesn't make my point any more credible. Surely you're not that dense
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It very much does.

Not being open minded is a clear display of bias and talking to people with a bias is a waste of my time.

Questioning my intellect is also foolish and grade school debate level tactics. Do better.
 
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Volnanza said:
I've said before and Ill say it again. The WORLD was stupid for allowing basically a zero contingency strategy to exist and not do anything about it. The west has been hostage to the threat of closing the straights for decades and done NOTHING about it. What did Rockefeller do when the rail road refused to carry his oil??? He built a pipeline and went around. It's time for a permanent fix.
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The WORLD? Are you trying to pin it on Brazil? Nice dodge of responsibility.
What's even more stupid, by far, is starting a war, for no valid reason, which is guaranteed to block the Strait of Hormuz.
 
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NEO said:
Will not disagree but were you critical of Obama when he unfroze their funds?

If so, point has merit. If not, you’re partisan.

I am thoroughly pissed right now and if we do give them a dime I am done voting period probably.


You take the damn country and strait or you don’t go in at all.

Viet nam 2.0 without boots on the ground.
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Do you see the difference between unfreezing some of Iran's funds as part of a deal to limit their nuclear capabilities and giving them far more funds from our kitty to try to get out of a mess we started?
 
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