Chaz Coleman's future remains uncertain (CBS)

[Ttucke11]

Suspect this goes just like Boo and Bey. See no benefit in trying to keep the kid if he wants to be somewhere else. Just get the money back and wish him well. Even if he does stay this time, I don't see how you can count on him going forward. Just end this already. Both parties will be better off.

Same. Sucks we wasted the resources recruiting him instead of someone else. Only really hurts us.

But no need to fight the headache. Good luck elsewhere. I'd bet money he never puts a UT helmet on during a game day.

 

[thistime]

Cut bait and run. If he is having problems I hope he gets help. If he wants to go somewhere else.....our mistake and bye.

 

[SubVet676]

Suspect this goes just like Boo and Bey. See no benefit in trying to keep the kid if he wants to be somewhere else. Just get the money back and wish him well. Even if he does stay this time, I don't see how you can count on him going forward. Just end this already. Both parties will be better off.

God’s Special People?

 

[Local Yokel]

So, he can have a problem inside his head like vertigo or concussion issues which we never used to hear about being a big deal other than "getting your bell rung" or taking a good hard lick.

I think concussions are just a fad, don't you? Soft. These guys are soft. That whole CTE is all just BS, right? It's only in the last 40 years...... it's a fad...... take your hits or you're soft.

Amazing that with other issues we can "learn about problems we didn't know about in the past" but there's no such thing as learning more about mental health.

This has been repeatedly referred to as “personal matters.” A concussion or vertigo is a health issue. One where you’d want the full support of the staff behind you. They’ve been saying this isn’t a Boo issue, which after that debacle, I can blame them for trying to get out ahead of. Let’s not pretend like OSU wasn’t pushing for this kid and that They haven’t continued to be in his ear.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

This has been repeatedly referred to as “personal matters.” A concussion or vertigo is a health issue. One where you’d want the full support of the staff behind you. They’ve been saying this isn’t a Boo issue, which after that debacle, I can blame them for trying to get out ahead of. Let’s not pretend like OSU wasn’t pushing for this kid and that They haven’t continued to be in his ear.

He's apparently had the support of staff in this. With Boo, we heard about issues between him and the staff. With Coleman, we've heard nothing of issues between him and staff and only that he's "going through personal issues."

There's zero indication the staff isn't being supportive and I've seen rumors that he's in the building, having conversations, and actively working with staff.

Boo and his family were adversarial publicly while reports were that staff was working with Coleman and his family to resolve the problem.

I've seen nothing to indicate Coleman is causing a distraction to teammates or anything other than a player being treated like he has a health issue. All of the "it's a big issue" talk is here and nothing like Boo.

He's a Vol with a problem keeping him off the field and that appears to be how staff is treating things.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Oh look, "you never see this kind of thing in pro sports where they have contracts...."

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/48684278/victor-hedman-says-personal-leave-was-address-mental-health

 

[ETSUVol09]

What are the chances that this guy suits up for Vols in the fall?

 

[GSPVol]

God’s Special People?

Nothing so pretentious.

 

[GSPVol]

What are the chances that this guy suits up for Vols in the fall?

Might suit up, but how effective can he be. Bigger question is how in the world can the staff have any faith in the kid? Need to move on and if, by some miracle, he contributes, it's icing on the cake. No way you plan to have him in the regular rotation.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

Judas Priest this post is pathetic and makes you look oblivious while calling someone else a drama queen, drama queen. And no **** you never played football.
Hope people skip most of it except for when you say “I don’t give a **** about Coleman or his issues.” That’s all you needed to post and all posters need to read to know the type of person you are.

Do you think Coleman is concerned with my issues? Your issues? Lol.

I see you’re joining the drama party. Once again, this is 0 to do with his reasoning, which hasn’t been medical as you and others like to falsely paint it. It has everything to do with business, which is what college sports now are. You don’t set a precedent for handing out a 2 mil gift with nothing done for it. Almost seems like a losing business model, right?

We’ve all had challenges in our life. You get past them or you make excuses and don’t. I broke family cycles in my life as anyone can. And I didn’t get paid 2 mil at 20 years old to do so. Abd yes I played plenty of football. About 13 years of it. Certainly not at a D1 level.

Carry on with your bad self. Hope your “mental health” is okay today. If not I’d suppose you’ll call in sick for it. Maybe work will even pay you for no work done. Makes sense, right?

 

[Skooter]

Do you think Coleman is concerned with my issues? Your issues? Lol.

I see you’re joining the drama party. Once again, this is 0 to do with his reasoning, which hasn’t been medical as you and others like to falsely paint it. It has everything to do with business, which is what college sports now are. You don’t set a precedent for handing out a 2 mil gift with nothing done for it. Almost seems like a losing business model, right?

We’ve all had challenges in our life. You get past them or you make excuses and don’t. I broke family cycles in my life as anyone can. And I didn’t get paid 2 mil at 20 years old to do so. Abd yes I played plenty of football. About 13 years of it. Certainly not at a D1 level.

Carry on with your bad self. Hope your “mental health” is okay today. If not I’d suppose you’ll call in sick for it. Maybe work will even pay you for no work done. Makes sense, right?

Someone in your bad self can’t be fazed by anything life, or yourself if not already, will have mental issues affecting their family or maybe take their own life and you’ll understand better that money doesn’t matter if a brain is misfiring. Or you won’t. “Get past them or make excuses” is an ignorant take to generalize with everyone. Flat out ignorant and ignorance usually doesn’t fix itself.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

Someone in your bad self can’t be fazed by anything life, or yourself if not already, will have mental issues affecting their family or maybe take their own life and you’ll understand better that money doesn’t matter if a brain is misfiring. Or you won’t. “Get past them or make excuses” is an ignorant take to generalize with everyone. Flat out ignorant and ignorance usually doesn’t fix itself.

So you're saying we should pay someone 2 million that has done 0 for it? Am i hearing you correctly? You and your drama friends have gotten hung up on this “medical condition” when that hasnt been spoken of by any source. That happens to be one of your favorite words, “ignorant”.

Will you come provide me with some free labor at my place of business? Or would that be as “ignorant” as giving someone 2 mil for doing nothing?

 

[RTVFL89]

All of yall making the excuse "It's a mental health issue". Ask yourselves this. Would your job or your clients pay you for doing nothing because you were having "mental health issues"? Hell no. If he's that bad off he needs to ask out of his contract and go home and quit wasting his and everyone else's time.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

All of yall making the excuse "It's a mental health issue". Ask yourselves this. Would your job or your clients pay you for doing nothing because you were having "mental health issues"? Hell no. If he's that bad off he needs to ask out of his contract and go home and quit wasting his and everyone else's time.

I posted this previously.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/48684278/victor-hedman-says-personal-leave-was-address-mental-health

Here is another famous example of mental health being an actual problem which keeps someone from performing a sport at the very highest level.

https://share.google/j5jF91ug2Gx80YZvC

 

[Skooter]

So you're saying we should pay someone 2 million that has done 0 for it? Am i hearing you correctly? You and your drama friends have gotten hung up on this “medical condition” when that hasnt been spoken of by any source. That happens to be one of your favorite words, “ignorant”.

Will you come provide me with some free labor at my place of business? Or would that be as “ignorant” as giving someone 2 mil for doing nothing?

The money thing is an nil problem across the board. If you are going to complain about every player who got paid more than they performed, start a thread to cry about it as the list will become long. Start with Nico, add David Sanders as he was hurt most of last year and keep going.
I also have doubts Coleman is sitting on 2M.
You deflect from your statements about not caring about Chaz Coleman or any other player and how you are a tough guy who gets past issues and people either do like you or make excuses and I’m calling you an ignorant fool for those comments and will continue to everytime you respond.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

The money thing is an nil problem across the board. If you are going to complain about every player who got paid more than they performed, start a thread to cry about it as the list will become long. Start with Nico, add David Sanders as he was hurt most of last year and keep going.
I also have doubts Coleman is sitting on 2M.
You deflect from your statements about not caring about Chaz Coleman or any other player and how you are a tough guy who gets past issues and people either do like you or make excuses and I’m calling you an ignorant fool for those comments and will continue to everytime you respond.

Agreed the money is an issue. And I don’t doubt it a bit. Reports are these kids are getting upfront money. It’s not performance based, so why would you doubt it?

And you keep being ignorant making it personal. It’s not. I’m talking from a business standpoint. Yes, regardless of said issue, which has only been reported as homesick, people like you have created the homesick narrative, these kids shouldn’t get to get paid and then leave with no output. I can tell you do W2 work if you have no issue with this. It’s always easy to spend others money. Think of what else our collective could’ve done with 2 mil besides give it to some kid just to let him ride home with it.

You’ve created a false narrative and now gotten yourself worked up about something that, as reported, doesn’t exist at this time. So yes, as I said, good luck Chaz but if you’re not staying here leave that duffel of cash at Neyland and head on home.

 

[swchandler1988]

He's apparently had the support of staff in this. With Boo, we heard about issues between him and the staff. With Coleman, we've heard nothing of issues between him and staff and only that he's "going through personal issues."

There's zero indication the staff isn't being supportive and I've seen rumors that he's in the building, having conversations, and actively working with staff.

Boo and his family were adversarial publicly while reports were that staff was working with Coleman and his family to resolve the problem.

I've seen nothing to indicate Coleman is causing a distraction to teammates or anything other than a player being treated like he has a health issue. All of the "it's a big issue" talk is here and nothing like Boo.

He's a Vol with a problem keeping him off the field and that appears to be how staff is treating things.

How dare you bring facts to this thread

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

Might suit up, but how effective can he be. Bigger question is how in the world can the staff have any faith in the kid? Need to move on and if, by some miracle, he contributes, it's icing on the cake. No way you plan to have him in the regular rotation.

How do you get your “need to move on” pov?
I don’t comment on player health issues until they enter the public reputably. He has severe Vertigo. He’s improved. It was so severe at one point that he couldn’t lie down, or sleep. He’s away from family with a severe health challenge. We have NIL protections in contract and he has a history with Knowles, who believes in him and his character. There’s nothing achieved by adding “we need to move on” language. It will work out, or not. The smart play is to sit still. The grownups know the plan.

 

[a vol n tears]

All of yall making the excuse "It's a mental health issue". Ask yourselves this. Would your job or your clients pay you for doing nothing because you were having "mental health issues"? Hell no. If he's that bad off he needs to ask out of his contract and go home and quit wasting his and everyone else's time.

My employer definitely payed me when I had issues. Maybe you all that think people don’t get paid for issues, need to find a better employer.
And yes, I still hate NIL, but even before NIL, I have no doubt that a university would have taken care of a player and not cut bait.

 

[GVF]

How do you get your “need to move on” pov?
I don’t comment on player health issues until they enter the public reputably. He has severe Vertigo. He’s improved. It was so severe at one point that he couldn’t lie down, or sleep. He’s away from family with a severe health challenge. We have NIL protections in contract and he has a history with Knowles, who believes in him and his character. There’s nothing achieved by adding “we need to move on” language. It will work out, or not. The smart play is to sit still. The grownups know the plan.

Having a spouse that has suffered from vertigo for many, many years, even in our 30's, it can be very debilitating and difficult to deal with. Just a sudden ill-timed minor movement can set her off for a days long dizzy spell. I have to be especially aware of our surroundings when driving to avoid sudden braking and such.

 

[GVF]

My employer definitely payed me when I had issues. Maybe you all that think people don’t get paid for issues, need to find a better employer.
And yes, I still hate NIL, but even before NIL, I have no doubt that a university would have taken care of a player and not cut bait.

Most employers these day have EAS programs and if you speak up, you will be taken care of. I'd think college athletes have the same recourse. His worse decision would be trying to hide issues.

 

[GSPVol]

How do you get your “need to move on” pov?
I don’t comment on player health issues until they enter the public reputably. He has severe Vertigo. He’s improved. It was so severe at one point that he couldn’t lie down, or sleep. He’s away from family with a severe health challenge. We have NIL protections in contract and he has a history with Knowles, who believes in him and his character. There’s nothing achieved by adding “we need to move on” language. It will work out, or not. The smart play is to sit still. The grownups know the plan.

I'm saying to focus on entering the season without him on the team, being available or being able to contribute at the level expected. Take your pick.

You certainly can't count on him being able to give you a complete season. Focus on the guys that are there, healthy and on the field. And if the opportunity presents to somehow add someone by some alternate method, I'd do it if the guy can help me.

 

[wrangler]

How do you get your “need to move on” pov?
I don’t comment on player health issues until they enter the public reputably. He has severe Vertigo. He’s improved. It was so severe at one point that he couldn’t lie down, or sleep. He’s away from family with a severe health challenge. We have NIL protections in contract and he has a history with Knowles, who believes in him and his character. There’s nothing achieved by adding “we need to move on” language. It will work out, or not. The smart play is to sit still. The grownups know the plan.

That's why I check threads like this, full of noise, because occasionally there's a fact that turns up.

 

[GSPVol]

That's why I check threads like this, full of noise, because occasionally there's a fact that turns up.

 

[hUTch2002]

I doubt Coleman is bothered by speculation and suspect he's doing what he needs to get better just like Hobbs is likely doing what he needs to do to get better.

The vitriol here is that "it's not a real problem" when as I pointed out, there's an entire medical specialty devoted to mental health and multiple ancillary medical staff and entire hospitals, clinics, etc devoted to the MEDICAL problems that can result from mental health issues.

That's the BS here. Mental health is a health issue. Just because you don't accept that doesn't mean the entire branch of medicine doesn't exist for a reason.

What the heck, I’ll jump in. You and EastTN are actually both correct. Mental health is absolutely a real issue and can lead to physical health issues. EastTN is correct that many people are quick to jump to having this issue or that issue and are certainly quick to try and get out of work due to things they could and others do work through. At the same time, there is a rise in mental health issues, not just due to better diagnosis and more education on the subject. I definitely believe the shift to a more online society is driving up mental health issues for a variety of reasons. On a side note, it’s funny how people only get migraines and food poisoning now. What happened to normal headaches and stomach aches? Words are very much losing their meaning.

Regardless of all that, with a situation like Coleman, we have to trust the staff and wait for the ultimate outcome and whatever facts we get. Mental health, if that’s what this is, isn’t to be taken lightly. I say give the kid the benefit out the doubt that he lives playing football and it must be something serious for him to not be out there. If facts to the contrary come out, fine, but until that time comes, good luck young man, I hope your issue resolves quickly!