Joey Aguilar Hearing Live

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I get it. Just saying the only possible restriction I can see would have to come from the institutional level - which as you say, is very unlikely.

Right. Schools are onboard with this chaos despite it being chaos. They may say "this is nuts and it shouldn't be like this" in public but privately they want zero part of anything that restricts their ability to recruit or get transfers.

Remember how we cheered Donde and UT going after the NCAA for trying to come at us over recruiting Nico?

We want the players by hook, crook, jet, or lawsuit.

 

[TheVolsFrog]

Who cares… not really a fan of Joey anyways. He’s ok but everyone looks good in heups offense

16 pages say people care

 

[BigOrangeFanatic]

 

[Unconditional Surrender]

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

16 pages say people care

Nah, 16 pages screams off season.

 

[cherokeeeVOL]

It seems like this is dragging on? Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the whole point of this lawsuit, beyond obviously allowing him one more year, was to speed up the process to allow him to join the team before spring ball starts....right?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

It seems like this is dragging on? Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the whole point of this lawsuit, beyond obviously allowing him one more year, was to speed up the process to allow him to join the team before spring ball starts....right?

The whole point of the court system, however, does not revolve around college football. Judges don't just handle one case at a time but have several cases pending.

Joey only filed this case earlier this month. It's been 2 weeks or so. That's not long at all for a court case.

 

[GAVol]

It seems like this is dragging on? Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the whole point of this lawsuit, beyond obviously allowing him one more year, was to speed up the process to allow him to join the team before spring ball starts....right?

It’s a court proceeding. It’ll move on its own time.

 

[DaddyChad]

It’s a court proceeding. It’ll move on its own time.

I mean it’s moving fairly fast so far it seems.

It would seem likely he wins this given the initial statements by the judge.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

You don’t say. Lol

I’m not talking about violating the Civil Rights Act or something. But if an individual school said on a blanket basis for instance, no Senior transfers and no academic exceptions for athletes, what would be the problem?

Any individual school can choose to not take any incoming transfers. That's how you take a playoff team to mediocrity in one season. Clemson and Stanford are examples.

No exceptions for athletes? Illegal. Please review the Ohio vs NCAA case and get back to me.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I wonder if one of the attorneys here could weigh in on a thought I had after reading some on this case and the Pavia case.

What happens if the Pavia case is decided one way and the Joey A case is decided the other? What if one court says JUCO counts and the other says JUCO doesn't?

My gut says Federal Court trumps Chancery Court but my gut is often wrong.

Anyone out there with actual legal knowledge and reference as to what might happen? AI says "it might get the attention of a more senior court to clarify the legal situation" but I don't really trust AI very much.

Anyone qualified who wants to give a free legal opinion?

 

[volfan102455]

At this point, I don't believe anyone who is realistic has an issue with the players being paid, but with the out of control transfer portal. I have no idea how it can be fixed in a legal sense, but somehow getting a bit of a handle on transfers and providing some stability for programs would alleviate the whole mess, IMO. I'm certainly not holding my breath.

The transfer portal is a bigger issue than a few players wanting to maximize their time playing college football.

 

[Orangeslide]

It seems like this is dragging on? Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the whole point of this lawsuit, beyond obviously allowing him one more year, was to speed up the process to allow him to join the team before spring ball starts....right?

This judge is being detail oriented, don’t expect a decision to be made until next week. His decision is probably 50/50 at this point. Joey is going for the 2 million which will probably set him for life If he invest properly, and I don’t blame him. So, if the judge feels he has a right to obtain that money he will rule in his favor, if not he will deny. Remember, this case is all about money, nothing else.

 

[cherokeeeVOL]

The whole point of the court system, however, does not revolve around college football. Judges don't just handle one case at a time but have several cases pending.

Joey only filed this case earlier this month. It's been 2 weeks or so. That's not long at all for a court case.

It’s a court proceeding. It’ll move on its own time.

I read that he pulled out of the Pavia lawsuit since it would be dragging on way too long for him to get a decision on whether he can play another year so he filed locally specifically to try to get a decision prior to spring ball. Is that true?

 

[GAVol]

Any individual school can choose to not take any incoming transfers. That's how you take a playoff team to mediocrity in one season. Clemson and Stanford are examples.

No exceptions for athletes? Illegal. Please review the Ohio vs NCAA case and get back to me.

I know the whole thing is impractical and no one will do it. It's just the only hypothetical way I could see transfers slowed down.

How would it be illegal to eliminate exceptions for athletes as long as they were treated exactly the same as the rest of the student body from an admissions standpoint? There would be no disparate impact issue whatsoever.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I read that he pulled out of the Pavia lawsuit since it would be dragging on way too long for him to get a decision on whether he can play another year so he filed locally specifically to try to get a decision prior to spring ball. Is that true?

It's true he pulled out of it but I'm not sure about the timeline on that case but yes, I believe Joey hoped for a favorable, basically "home cooking" kind of decision which is why these guys are filing outside of Federal Court now.

 

[cherokeeeVOL]

Side note, but I had no idea it's only been two weeks .

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Side note, but I had no idea it's only been two weeks .

I get it. It's under the hot lights on Volnation but at the courthouse it's just another rainy Thursday.

If this were Blue Bloods, Tom would've had this sorted out and we'd be sitting down to a prayer by now.......

 

[volfan102455]

I know the whole thing is impractical and no one will do it. It's just the only hypothetical way I could see transfers slowed down.

How would it be illegal to eliminate exceptions for athletes as long as they were treated exactly the same as the rest of the student body from an admissions standpoint? There would be no disparate impact issue whatsoever.

Exactly. I doubt every Division I, Division II, NAIA, JUCO, etc. provides NIL to their athletes. The money is just not there for every school.

For those schools that don't offer "extra money", students who want the scholarships, athletes that want to play but are not offered places at schools that offer NIL will undoubtedly still gravitate to those schools and play there. The original lawsuit that started this mess was the fact that the schools did not give the same benefit to the athletes. That is all that really needed to be resolved. But the opinions rendered opened up the concept of NIL so here we are.

The NIL angle is really for schools that want to contend at the highest level, and they have to do that because all other schools are doing that. Right now, some players are in bidding wars with the major schools that have money - if those schools collectively decided not to play the bidding war game - there would be no bidding war. Yes, an athlete can put that on the table - but a school is NOT REQUIRED to take the offer. The school could say, as they did before - I will give you a free education, I will give you free access to the best trainers, sports doctors etc., I will give you the chance to participate in the sport on national TV which is "free to you" advertisement of your skills and your name, etc. Take it or walk away because there are literally thousands of potential players out there ready and willing to play for a scholarship and the other things that comes with playing college sports.

 

[yoyoyoyo]

It seems like this is dragging on? Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the whole point of this lawsuit, beyond obviously allowing him one more year, was to speed up the process to allow him to join the team before spring ball starts....right?

I have a business associate that has been involved in a business lawsuit since 2021 and it’s still in discovery. The wheels of justice are painfully slow sometimes even if the facts appear to be black and white.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Exactly. I doubt every Division I, Division II, NAIA, JUCO, etc. provides NIL to their athletes. The money is just not there for every school.

For those schools that don't offer "extra money", students who want the scholarships, athletes that want to play but are not offered places at schools that offer NIL will undoubtedly still gravitate to those schools and play there. The original lawsuit that started this mess was the fact that the schools did not give the same benefit to the athletes. That is all that really needed to be resolved. But the opinions rendered opened up the concept of NIL so here we are.

The NIL angle is really for schools that want to contend at the highest level, and they have to do that because all other schools are doing that. Right now, some players are in bidding wars with the major schools that have money - if those schools collectively decided not to play the bidding war game - there would be no bidding war. Yes, an athlete can put that on the table - but a school is NOT REQUIRED to take the offer. The school could say, as they did before - I will give you a free education, I will give you free access to the best trainers, sports doctors etc., I will give you the chance to participate in the sport on national TV which is "free to you" advertisement of your skills and your name, etc. Take it or walk away because there are literally thousands of potential players out there ready and willing to play for a scholarship and the other things that comes with playing college sports.

Except the schools, including UT, were paying under the table for decades and decades because the pressure to win is very high in the SEC and B1G and elsewhere.

Money buys anything and it bought good teams for schools well before NIL and that's not going to change. As long as schools want to win, they'll offer money to get players that can help them win.

It's just like the business world. Sure, you can say "this is our offer and take it or leave it" and if your competitor is offering better wages and benefits, they'll get the plum employees.

UT COULD refuse to play the NIL game and field teams with much lower talent that cannot win an SEC game. They could but they won't because Josh likes his job and Danny likes his job and Donde likes her job and Randy likes his job.

 

[GAVol]

The NIL angle is really for schools that want to contend at the highest level, and they have to do that because all other schools are doing that.

You’d be surprised what the “highest level” is. I’m involved with a SoCon school that I know for a fact has NIL.

 

[volfan102455]

Except the schools, including UT, were paying under the table for decades and decades because the pressure to win is very high in the SEC and B1G and elsewhere.

Money buys anything and it bought good teams for schools well before NIL and that's not going to change. As long as schools want to win, they'll offer money to get players that can help them win.

It's just like the business world. Sure, you can say "this is our offer and take it or leave it" and if your competitor is offering better wages and benefits, they'll get the plum employees.

UT COULD refuse to play the NIL game and field teams with much lower talent that cannot win an SEC game. They could but they won't because Josh likes his job and Danny likes his job and Donde likes her job and Randy likes his job.

What has happened in the past doesn't matter.

My key point is that schools do not have to participate in this madness, many can't and they will continue to field competitive sports teams. Maybe they don't play in that championship game, but they will continue to bring in fans to watch and spend money.

At some point the NIL dollars will start to level set because teams will realize that paying hundreds of players all this extra money is not feasible. I mean why does a QB get millions while the linemen that must protect him from injury and give him time to do his thing gets considerably less?

 

[volfan102455]

You’d be surprised what the “highest level” is. I’m involved with a SoCon school that I know for a fact has NIL.

But how does it compare to what schools like OSU, UT etc. pay? I mean some of those schools have to agree to play and take a loss at a major university to get dollars to just keep their AD afloat. And I think at some point, those opportunities may dry up as the larger conferences add more in conference games and reduce the number of games these schools can schedule.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I know the whole thing is impractical and no one will do it. It's just the only hypothetical way I could see transfers slowed down.

How would it be illegal to eliminate exceptions for athletes as long as they were treated exactly the same as the rest of the student body from an admissions standpoint? There would be no disparate impact issue whatsoever.

You said it yourself.

You basically said that athletes should be treated the same as other students, except when they weren't. Thosevtwo things are mutually exclusive