Joey Aguilar Hearing Live

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OneManGang said:
Unlike that d*ckweed Bammer who ruled in the Pavia case, Chancellor Haegerty made his ruling based on the evidence provided. Since Aguilar's NIL contract was not germane to the arguments made by his counsel, there was a lack of evidence that the State of Tennessee was being financially harmed under the existing NCAA rules or that State Law was being violated.



Should the Appellate judge in the Pavia case follow that line of reasoning, Vanderbilt could conceivably be ordered to vacate all wins in the 2025 season for playing an ineligible player (Pavia.)

(OMG rubs his hands and laughs manically.)
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Actually, no. The NCAA officially waived the rule for one year after the Pavia court decision.

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NCAA grants waiver to ex-JUCO players while appealing Pavia ruling

The NCAA Division I Board of Directors approved a blanket waiver granting an extra year of eligibility to former junior college transfers in similar positions to Vanderbilt's Diego Pavia, while also announcing it is appealing the ruling in Pavia's case.
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MadMaxSC said:
There were only a hand-full of fans, calling for Heupel's head. Most were not REAL fans. They were orange clad parrots who have never seen inside a college classroom.
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We'll revisit this in December if our record isn't all that great with a RS Freshman QB. Then we can see who wants to fire the coach and watch everyone transfer out.
 
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knox73 said:
I bet the Judge drops the ruling out Friday afternoon about 3:45 p.m, and it is good news for Joey and the Vols. This is just my seasoned instinctual hunch on situations like this.
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You were 100% right except the outcome. I guess it was predictable if you think about it. He could’ve released his ruling on Tuesday or Wednesday if it was going to be favorable to Joey. The only reason for delaying was to avoid the backlash from his own community hence late Friday.
 
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StuckInBamaVol said:
Oh hush. You were the one acting as if you knew everything and everyone that thought Joey should not get another year was dead wrong and stupid.

Don’t try to change tune now. Your argument was clearly wrong. No need to try to high and mighty now.
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No at all. I'm not changing anything. The decision is dead wrong. It drives logic that Pavia and Chambliss get their contested years back and that Joey doesn't.

Again, Joey should re-file in federal court and take the decision out of the state court's hands.
 
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MadMaxSC said:
There is one hell of a good reason. From the days of General Neyland, U-T has tried to run a program with class and honesty. Occasionally, a Pruett or someone like him, will smear our good name but, most fans would rather see a clean, honest program than 11 wins.

Joey has hung around the football field too long. It's time for him to get a real job and let some High Schooler get his shot.
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Let's apply that to your career. It's time for you to quit work and let a twenty something kid take your place for minimum wage.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
No at all. I'm not changing anything. The decision is dead wrong. It drives logic that Pavia and Chambliss get their contested years back and that Joey doesn't.

Again, Joey should re-file in federal court and take the decision out of the state court's hands.
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It’s right until proven otherwise.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
No at all. I'm not changing anything. The decision is dead wrong. It drives logic that Pavia and Chambliss get their contested years back and that Joey doesn't.

Again, Joey should re-file in federal court and take the decision out of the state court's hands.
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www.espn.com

Joey Aguilar transferring to UCLA after 2 years at App State

Former Appalachian State quarterback Joey Aguilar announced his commitment to UCLA on Saturday night.
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Joey played using the Pavia decision waiver last year. He got what Joey got: an extra year.

Chambliss took a medical waiver denied by the NCAA to court and won. Not the same as Joey.

Pavia's current Federal case, which Joey A could rejoin, is further along than filing a new case and it won't be heard in time for this season.

It's over. Sometimes you lose games and court cases. Time to man up and move on.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Let's apply that to your career. It's time for you to quit work and let a twenty something kid take your place for minimum wage.
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College football was never intended to be a career. The University is supposed to be about academics. Sports programs are secondary. They are called Student-Athletes. Has anybody seen JA's transcripts.
 
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MadMaxSC said:
College football was never intended to be a career. The University is supposed to be about academics. Sports programs are secondary. They are called Student-Athletes. Has anybody seen JA's transcripts.
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Those are right there with Carson Beck’s.
Anyway, Joey should have a doctorate by now. From a tradition perspective, I’m glad for the ruling, but part of me is like, “why worry about tradition now??!”
 
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MadMaxSC said:
College football was never intended to be a career. The University is supposed to be about academics. Sports programs are secondary. They are called Student-Athletes. Has anybody seen JA's transcripts.
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That intended to be went out the door when 6 figure plus payment to players started
 
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MadMaxSC said:
College football was never intended to be a career. The University is supposed to be about academics. Sports programs are secondary. They are called Student-Athletes. Has anybody seen JA's transcripts.
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The rules for eligibility to play were loosely based on the idea that a student entering college would complete their undergraduate education in 4 years. The redshirt years were added to (1) allow freshmen a year to adjust to college life and (2) account for injuries that keep a player from playing for a year. It did not state that a player had to start that journey at 18 and end at a set age. Exceptions were granted for certain activities for military and religious reasons. It did not account for those students that were on educational career paths that were going to require more than 4 years. It kicked those players to the curb before their education was done.

The rules did NOT connect eligibility to the actual act of a player obtaining a degree. If that had been the case, then a lot of the players would only be playing 2 to 3 years and redshirts would work against them. It only states they must be making progress towards "A" degree.

Fast forward to today -

- Many players come in with college credits in hand and may be sophomore academically. Should they just get to play for 3 years?
- Many players go to school year-round so finish their undergraduate degree in less than 4 years. Should they become ineligible when that degree is issued?
- With the transfer portal, it is very likely that credits don't align. A player may in fact lose credits in the process because the new school's program is different etc.
- Some may have family life that cuts into them being typical students that can just study all the time.

The original concept of eligibility (which many are holding on to) is no longer the norm and hasn't been in a very long time.

The NCAA could change it and connect it directly to specific degrees - but trust me - you don't want that because then many players would not even have the 5 to play 4 that they now have. And you would have some that would take the bare minimum, skip summer school and be in school longer than the 5 to play 4 by changing majors in the middle. And with every transfer there would be an adjustment that more than likely would add more time rather than reduce it.
 
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MadMaxSC said:
College football was never intended to be a career. The University is supposed to be about academics. Sports programs are secondary. They are called Student-Athletes. Has anybody seen JA's transcripts.
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Some antiquarian, subjective opinion of "intent" doesn't matter. You may as well say that the NCAA's intent was to enrich coaches and administrators by exploiting their labor pool. That's actually more accurate

Transcripts? No one is entitled to see them to satisfy idle curiosity. Joey is entitled to privacy just like any other student.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Some antiquarian, subjective opinion of "intent" doesn't matter. You may as well say that the NCAA's intent was to enrich coaches and administrators by exploiting their labor pool. That's actually more accurate

Transcripts? No one is entitled to see them to satisfy idle curiosity. Joey is entitled to privacy just like any other student.
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I must agree about coaching enrichment. A quick look shows General Neyland making $20k in the early 50s before he retired. That's about $250k today which sounds weak but there was very, very little if any TV deals and such back then.

$20k would've been a nice salary and one wonders how UT could afford it.

Great coach but that was a lot of money probably compared to what most professors made back then. The emphasis was already out of whack.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Transcripts? No one is entitled to see them to satisfy idle curiosity. Joey is entitled to privacy just like any other student.
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Well said - only future employers who require that are privy to those records.

The thing is that the journey for each student (forget the athlete part) is different. The JUCOs generally offer multiple tracks:

- Associate degrees that can be used for employment
- Classes and a path that is meant to transfer to a university
- Purely technical skills for which a certificate is given (Think EMT, Vet Tech Assistant, Welding, etc. - I list EMT because I have a relative that attended the same JUCO in Southern California and got her EMT certification from there)

A student could start out in any of those paths, decide they wanted to major in something entirely different, enter a university but technically within the aspect of their desired program be the equivalent of a freshman.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Some antiquarian, subjective opinion of "intent" doesn't matter. You may as well say that the NCAA's intent was to enrich coaches and administrators by exploiting their labor pool. That's actually more accurate

Transcripts? No one is entitled to see them to satisfy idle curiosity. Joey is entitled to privacy just like any other student.
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The comment about, "has anyone seen his transcripts," was meant as tongue-in-cheek. I am fully aware of restrictions on transcripts.

At some point these so called student athletes become employees of the school. If I understand Tennessee's Right to Work laws, the employee has no collective bargaining position. The school could just fire him.
 
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MadMaxSC said:
The comment about, "has anyone seen his transcripts," was meant as tongue-in-cheek. I am fully aware of restrictions on transcripts.

At some point these so called student athletes become employees of the school. If I understand Tennessee's Right to Work laws, the employee has no collective bargaining position. The school could just fire him.
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If the court declares NCAA players employees, the players will unionize almost immediately and the NCAA and/or the SEC will recognize that union. If UT wants to remain in the NCAA and SEC, they'll collective bargain with the players, as Danny White suggests, and it will be difficult to fire someone without cause.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
If the court declares NCAA players employees, the players will unionize almost immediately and the NCAA and/or the SEC will recognize that union. If UT wants to remain in the NCAA and SEC, they'll collective bargain with the players, as Danny White suggests, and it will be difficult to fire someone without cause.
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Isn't Tennessee a "Right to Work" State? If so, you don't need "cause" to fire them (presuming they are not under contract).
 
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MadMaxSC said:
Isn't Tennessee a "Right to Work" State? If so, you don't need "cause" to fire them (presuming they are not under contract).
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When employers collective bargain, they usually have a harder time as firing one without cause will lead to a strike or slowdown.
 
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