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volfan102455 said:
What has happened in the past doesn't matter.

My key point is that schools do not have to participate in this madness, many can't and they will continue to field competitive sports teams. Maybe they don't play in that championship game, but they will continue to bring in fans to watch and spend money.

At some point the NIL dollars will start to level set because teams will realize that paying hundreds of players all this extra money is not feasible. I mean why does a QB get millions while the linemen that must protect him from injury and give him time to do his thing gets considerably less?
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Relative value and supply vs demand.. An elite quarterback is a fairly rare commodity. There are numerous good offensive kinemen.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Relative value and supply vs demand.. An elite quarterback is a fairly rare commodity. There are numerous good offensive kinemen.
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But if your elite QB is getting sacked all the time and gets injured at some point or doesn't have a receiver that can catch the ball - that elite QB is no benefit to you at all.

Football is a team sport - it takes 11 on the field at the same time.

There were many QB's last year that were not considered to be elite that lead their teams to a lot of wins - while some of the elite ones had issues and fell short of the mark.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Exactly. I doubt every Division I, Division II, NAIA, JUCO, etc. provides NIL to their athletes. The money is just not there for every school.

For those schools that don't offer "extra money", students who want the scholarships, athletes that want to play but are not offered places at schools that offer NIL will undoubtedly still gravitate to those schools and play there. The original lawsuit that started this mess was the fact that the schools did not give the same benefit to the athletes. That is all that really needed to be resolved. But the opinions rendered opened up the concept of NIL so here we are.

The NIL angle is really for schools that want to contend at the highest level, and they have to do that because all other schools are doing that. Right now, some players are in bidding wars with the major schools that have money - if those schools collectively decided not to play the bidding war game - there would be no bidding war. Yes, an athlete can put that on the table - but a school is NOT REQUIRED to take the offer. The school could say, as they did before - I will give you a free education, I will give you free access to the best trainers, sports doctors etc., I will give you the chance to participate in the sport on national TV which is "free to you" advertisement of your skills and your name, etc. Take it or walk away because there are literally thousands of potential players out there ready and willing to play for a scholarship and the other things that comes with playing college sports.
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The service academies don't. I don't believe Stanford does either.


Austin Peay has NIL and they are FCS
 
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volfan102455 said:
What has happened in the past doesn't matter.

My key point is that schools do not have to participate in this madness, many can't and they will continue to field competitive sports teams. Maybe they don't play in that championship game, but they will continue to bring in fans to watch and spend money.

At some point the NIL dollars will start to level set because teams will realize that paying hundreds of players all this extra money is not feasible. I mean why does a QB get millions while the linemen that must protect him from injury and give him time to do his thing gets considerably less?
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Money ALWAYS matters when competition is involved. Any sports team that wants to compete will pay players because if they don't someone else will.

Linemen vs QB is also the same in the pros because there's a much smaller set of players who can excel at QB and a larger pool who can excel at lineman. It's simply the market pool and skill required to excel that create the disparity.

The players are valuable well beyond just a scholarship to the teams. Will the market level off? Probably, but if the pro leagues are an indication, maybe not soon.

As long as athletic programs like UT are generating $300M with the teams, they'll make dang sure they're competitive.
 
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volfan102455 said:
But if your elite QB is getting sacked all the time and gets injured at some point or doesn't have a receiver that can catch the ball - that elite QB is no benefit to you at all.

Football is a team sport - it takes 11 on the field at the same time.

There were many QB's last year that were not considered to be elite that lead their teams to a lot of wins - while some of the elite ones had issues and fell short of the mark.
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This ain't socialism. If you want to argue "all players should be valued equally" that's simply not the case.

A QB handles the ball every down and makes a ton of decisions. An LT can miss 5 blocks and the team may very well win anyway but if that QB tosses 5 high throws and it's picked off 3 times, the game is probably not going to end well for the team.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
If they do, they'll simply lose in court when the inevitable lawsuits are filed.
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Those are ongoing lawsuits which the players have received injunctions to play, similar to what Chambliss got and Joey's hoping for.

The NCAA isn't going to stir crap up and take away wins if they win those eventually, even if they could. That's just click bait "OMG, Marge! Look at this!" stuff that's mapping out a worst case, NCAA uses the nuclear option, last gasp before it dies strategy.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
This ain't socialism. If you want to argue "all players should be valued equally" that's simply not the case.

A QB handles the ball every down and makes a ton of decisions. An LT can miss 5 blocks and the team may very well win anyway but if that QB tosses 5 high throws and it's picked off 3 times, the game is probably not going to end well for the team.
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I get that but you get what you pay for and an elite QB is not the only thing you need to win a game. Sometimes you can couple a "not so elite QB" with elite players at other positions and win more games.

Then there is he idea of paying an unknown, elite because a recruiting service says they are, a lot of money only to find out they were a bust.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
If JUCO is "just an extension of HS," as you claim, then those JUCO courses shouldn't be counted as college credits, right? It's an extension of HS, not college, right?

Transferring academic credits from a JUCO as college credit but not transferring athletic eligibility is a double standard.
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You can get college credits in high school.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I get that but you get what you pay for and an elite QB is not the only thing you need to win a game. Sometimes you can couple a "not so elite QB" with elite players at other positions and win more games.

Then there is he idea of paying an unknown, elite because a recruiting service says they are, a lot of money only to find out they were a bust.
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Sure, and elite teams spend the top level linemen money but that's nowhere near top level QB money.

You can be sure that schools are aware that having a crap line because they spent all their money getting a QB won't work well. It's just that getting elite linemen is much much much cheaper than getting an elite QB.

As for evaluations of talent, if you think Heupel JUST looks at the services and the rating and picks QBs, that's not correct. That's, at best, a starting point for him looking at a ton of film, watching him live, talking to coaches, etc. Josh Heupel wouldn't be at UT just saying "There's a 5*...... pay him and let's go."
 
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rocytop2624 said:
It's a developmental league for sports and learning for late bloomers.
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That just happens to be called college, field teams like a college, and give academic credits like a college. Got it. It's "invisible" sports but great for college academic credits. Makes perfect sense.
 
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