Venezuela

What Do You Think About This?

  • Doesn't really make sense.

    Votes: 7 26.9%

  • Unnecessary.

    Votes: 12 46.2%

  • I love it! We can get more oil!

    Votes: 3 11.5%

  • I can see why it might happen, but not comfortable with it.

    Votes: 4 15.4%
  • Total voters
    26
#151
#151
jmacvols1 said:
the judicial system in this country is corrupt. as seen by cashless bail, judges give very light to basically no sentences at all to criminals....when the law is not enforced violence rules. Laws and sanctions are used to try and keep lawlessness at bay but when laws and sanctions are not enforced lawlessness will continue unimpeded.

I do not agree with some of the pardons Trump is giving, but I do not remember the left being critical of Biden and the tons of criminals he pardoned....including his own criminal son other other criminal family members preemptively.

I take it from you that you think drug traffickers should be able to traffic drugs with no interference from law enforcement.
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So if "the left" isn't critical of something they do then you can't be critical either? That's your worst argument yet

And no, I personally don't believe the US govt should be able to traffic drugs. But they do and here we are
 
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#152
#152
utvolpj said:
Guns are actually illegal to import, purchase and use without govt consent. Why can the same not be done with drugs? I'm not in favor of govt control but it's a far cry better than the lost WoD.

The jump from US drug laws being overreaching to abolishing all laws is a curious one. How do you even get there realistically in your mind?
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....and should countries who illegally import drugs and guns into the US be sanctioned?
 
#153
#153
jmacvols1 said:
sanctions are generally issued against other countries when laws are broken, to protect economic security or to thwart future problems as rogue nations getting access to nuclear bombs.
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Well now you're expanding their definition easy beyond what you first intimated. You've essentially given any govt the power to use them as they see fit which goes against any of your previous arguments. Given your definition, one would have to have full faith and trust in a govt body to believe they're worthwhile. Do you?
 
#154
#154
jmacvols1 said:
....and should countries who illegally import drugs and guns into the US be sanctioned?
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You mistake me for someone who believes those acts should be illegal.

Everything you want to be illegal is already done by your govt all across the globe. Tell me why I should be outraged when another does it
 
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#155
#155
utvolpj said:
So if "the left" isn't critical of something they do then you can't be critical either? That's your worst argument yet

And no, I personally don't believe the US govt should be able to traffic drugs. But they do and here we are
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people can be critical of the gov't all they want to be, but what does that have to do with having and enforcing laws?

there is no hard evidence the US traffics drugs to other countries.......

AI Overview

While the U.S. government officially fights drug trafficking, allegations persist, particularly involving the CIA and its connections to anti-communist forces (Contras) in the 1980s, suggesting indirect complicity or turning a blind eye to drug running to fund covert operations, though official investigations found no direct CIA drug trafficking but acknowledged potential indirect links.
These complex, controversial claims, notably detailed by journalist Gary Webb and others, highlight a murky history where geopolitical aims sometimes clashed with drug enforcement, leading to theories of government involvement in drug flows, especially in Central America, though definitive proof of direct trafficking by the US government remains debated.

Key Allegations & Investigations:
  • Iran-Contra Affair: Allegations surfaced that Contra rebels, supported by the U.S., were involved in cocaine trafficking to the U.S., with funds potentially used to buy arms, raising questions about U.S. knowledge and involvement.
  • Gary Webb's "Dark Alliance": Journalist Gary Webb's series alleged that CIA-linked figures facilitated cocaine sales in Los Angeles, linking it to Contra funding and the crack cocaine epidemic, sparking major controversy.
  • Official Findings: Investigations, including the Kerry Committee report, acknowledged the drug links but often stated the CIA didn't directly participate in drug trafficking, though they found instances of indirect involvement or willful blindness by U.S. officials to partners' drug activities.
Conclusion:
There's no evidence the U.S. government officially traffics drugs; however, historical controversies suggest covert operations sometimes intersected with drug traffickers, leading to accusations of complicity, particularly in the Reagan-era Central American conflicts, leaving a complex legacy of unanswered questions
 
#156
#156
jmacvols1 said:
people can be critical of the gov't all they want to be, but what does that have to do with having and enforcing laws?

there is no hard evidence the US traffics drugs to other countries.......

AI Overview

While the U.S. government officially fights drug trafficking, allegations persist, particularly involving the CIA and its connections to anti-communist forces (Contras) in the 1980s, suggesting indirect complicity or turning a blind eye to drug running to fund covert operations, though official investigations found no direct CIA drug trafficking but acknowledged potential indirect links.
These complex, controversial claims, notably detailed by journalist Gary Webb and others, highlight a murky history where geopolitical aims sometimes clashed with drug enforcement, leading to theories of government involvement in drug flows, especially in Central America, though definitive proof of direct trafficking by the US government remains debated.

Key Allegations & Investigations:
  • Iran-Contra Affair: Allegations surfaced that Contra rebels, supported by the U.S., were involved in cocaine trafficking to the U.S., with funds potentially used to buy arms, raising questions about U.S. knowledge and involvement.
  • Gary Webb's "Dark Alliance": Journalist Gary Webb's series alleged that CIA-linked figures facilitated cocaine sales in Los Angeles, linking it to Contra funding and the crack cocaine epidemic, sparking major controversy.
  • Official Findings: Investigations, including the Kerry Committee report, acknowledged the drug links but often stated the CIA didn't directly participate in drug trafficking, though they found instances of indirect involvement or willful blindness by U.S. officials to partners' drug activities.
Conclusion:
There's no evidence the U.S. government officially traffics drugs; however, historical controversies suggest covert operations sometimes intersected with drug traffickers, leading to accusations of complicity, particularly in the Reagan-era Central American conflicts, leaving a complex legacy of unanswered questions
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Studies show AI overuse makes you less informed. Do you really expect the government to admit it "officially traffics drugs"? Come on man

CIA trafficked drugs to other countries and into US communities. The USA provided defense for the poppy fields in afg which fuel the heroin trade.
 
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#157
jmacvols1 said:
drugs, unlike a gun, are illegal to import, to purchase and use. China is violating US law, people who buy and use those drugs are violating US law and should the US not enforce the law against China and these other lawbreakers? All laws should be abolished and people do as they please?
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Massive over generalization to say "all laws". Dont know where that comes from.

As far as enforcement goes, why not go after the users (or just legalize drugs). China et al wont be breaking any laws if theres no demand. They're just meeting the needs of the users.

Legalizing and allowing people to choose their own fate, not infantilize them, makes the most sense, is the most practical, and would I think lead to the best outcome for the war on drugs.
 
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#158
#158
It's all a Trump ploy to distract the public from the mess of his off and on tariff wars has created for us. And to enrich himself and cronies with
Venezuela's oil revenues. Pick on someone smaller than you like a bully. But this is all going to backfire on the USA down the road, because it's basically,
just hating sienna, mocha, chocolate, umber, and caramel hued people.

As for going after Nicholas Maduro, I believe it's really because ole Nick didn't agree to split the profits with him like Juan Orlando Hernandez, who he pardoned despite his own DOJ convicting. This doomed orange ogre will face his day of reckoning.

A word on Erika Kirk, despite my general disdain for her murdered husband's positions stated with his audience. Mostly, idealistic, know it all college kids, in experienced in debate strategy, so manipulative, I'm kind of liking Erika more and more. She comes off as being more Christian than Agent Orange and his
incompetent cabinet. She makes more and more sense to me, so far, each time she speaks. Erika Kirk shares a "call to action" for parents to stop political violence
 
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#160
#160
jmacvols1 said:
it seems some here on VN would like to have a world with no laws or sanctions
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I would like a world where we mind our own business. and the rest of the world minds its own. no world police BS. yes that means there are differences, but its not worth the issues that come with it. I don't want another Iraq/Afghanistan that we lose anyway just to give the CIA more control over the drug trade.
 
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#162
EasternVol said:
Back to that, what is the Monroe Doctrine, in brief?
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Something important that they use to teach in schools. We learned about it in grades 5-7. American History. Now we learn about sharing and diversity. I feel sorry for the kids. Doomed to ignorance by "socialist democrats".

In short, the Monroe doctrine was a hands off warning to the rest of the world from the US about the western hemisphere. Reference Teddy Roosevelt and "Talk quietly but carry a big stick".
 
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#163
#163
EasternVol said:
He is, and he's also forgetting the 'and we'll stay out of yours' part.
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No doubt. But that is the modern Pist-WWII application of the Doctrine.

“Stay out of our business and we will leverage our position as the mightiest country in the world to whatever end our current leadership feels is best.”

-Monroe Doctrine as applied, 1945-2025.
 
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#165
Volnanza said:
Something important that they use to teach in schools. We learned about it in grades 5-7. American History. Now we learn about sharing and diversity. I feel sorry for the kids. Doomed to ignorance by "socialist democrats".

In short, the Monroe doctrine was a hands off warning to the rest of the world from the US about the western hemisphere. Reference Teddy Roosevelt and "Talk quietly but carry a big stick".
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Yeah, when we learned about Teddy Roosevelt and that quote, we understood it to mean that we should be peaceful and diplomatic but also ready, which does not describe this admin's approach to Venezuela. Acting all high and mighty about history and you don't understand the meaning of basic lessons.
 
#166
#166
n_huffhines said:
Yeah, when we learned about Teddy Roosevelt and that quote, we understood it to mean that we should be peaceful and diplomatic but also ready, which does not describe this admin's approach to Venezuela. Acting all high and mighty about history and you don't understand the meaning of basic lessons.
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He asked about the Monroe Doctrine. Not Trump. TDS ... get some help.
 
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#168
Volnanza said:
Something important that they use to teach in schools. We learned about it in grades 5-7. American History. Now we learn about sharing and diversity. I feel sorry for the kids. Doomed to ignorance by "socialist democrats".

In short, the Monroe doctrine was a hands off warning to the rest of the world from the US about the western hemisphere. Reference Teddy Roosevelt and "Talk quietly but carry a big stick".
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Hands off to the rest of the world, and that our concerns are limited to our hemisphere.
 
#169
#169
jmacvols1 said:
Boxer Rebellion?
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The West had already fought multiple wars in China, literally called the Opium Wars, in order to push dope onto the Chinese people and completely take control over areas. FDR's grandfather was one of the bigger dope dealers in China during the 19th century. For all of Mao's disasters and failures as a leader, he was actually the one that got China's massive drug problem under control in the 20th century. He didn't do it by blowing up boats thousands of miles away in countries that, "what a coincidence", have immense wealth in the form of natural resources. He did it be erasing the problem domestically. Duterte recently tried to do the same thing in the Philippines with some success, and the West was like, "Nooooooo!!! Human rights!!! Stop interfering in our drug profits!!! Human rights!!!" A couple of decades ago, Singapore executed an Australian national that was caught with hundreds of grams of heroin when 15 grams was already enough for the mandatory death penalty. Australia threw a tantrum and Qantas shut down its routes to Singapore for a while, but you don't see drug addicts anywhere in Singapore like you do at Market Square, Gay Street, or South Broadway. Singapore doesn't have to blow up boats thousands of miles away to keep the country mostly drug-free.

Preferably, the Americans would just do like the Japanese, South Koreans and many others, and aspire to be something more than crackheads, so drug pushers wouldn't even have a market in the USA. You don't see crackheads in those countries, because they don't even want to be crackheads. They don't have to blow up boats thousands of miles away in order to not have crackheads walking around on their streets bumming money. Unfortunately, we want to be crackheads. We think it's "soooo cooooool, dude".
 
#170
#170
CagleMtnVol said:
Both the Chinese & Russian Navy are regulars in Venezuela and even Iran but you know this.

Had President Trump not been elected last November. China would be in control of the Panama Canal right now.
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So the answer is no military assets are actually being built up by Russia or China of any consequence in the western hemisphere.

That's what I thought.
 
#171
#171
EasternVol said:
TDS is a hoax.
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My son is a clinical psychologist and there are several patients treated at his practice for TDS. That isnt the name of their diagnosis...but their obsession with Trump and allowing a stranger to ruin their lives and state of mind is absolutely what they are in therapy for. TDS is as real as PTSD. There are several here who seem to suffer from it based on their post history.
 
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#173
#173
marcusluvsvols said:
My son is a clinical psychologist and there are several patients treated at his practice for TDS. That isnt the name of their diagnosis...but their obsession with Trump and allowing a stranger to ruin their lives and state of mind is absolutely what they are in therapy for. TDS is as real as PTSD. There are several here who seem to suffer from it based on their post history.
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Fake news, bigly.
 
#174
#174
PEPPERJAX said:
I somewhat agree with this but it is kind of weird when people want to interject Trump into a conversation when he was never a part of it from the beginning.
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I was taking the piss on MAGA with their hoax and fake news labels on facts they want to deny. Yeah people do bring him up unnecessarily pro and con. But the mention of him which kicked off the TDS accusation did make sense since the Monroe Doctrine was brought up in the context of what our spray tanned Il Duce is pulling with Venezuela.
 
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