It's time we circle the wagons around Coach Heupel

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Rocky Top T said:
No, the drama is 0-4 against the only good teams. 1-3 in SEC home games (thanks to a terrible Arkansas team). And getting humiliated by Vandy!!! Not firing coaches, not showing any fire on the sidelines and so on . He needs to give us something to rally around!!!
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GVF said:
Does anyone actually know the long tradition of UT football ??!!

We've never had one single coach, not even Neyland himself, that has ever, ever averaged 9 wins or more over their tenure. Not one.

When it comes to average wins per season:

Fulmer - 8.88
CJH - 8.83
Bill Battle - 8.43
Neyland - 8.24

Those are the only 4 UT coaches EVER to clear an 8 game average wins per season over the course of their UT HC career.

Lighten up all you Nancies. Your current coach is #2 all-time thus far by the one SINGLE METRIC any of you care about.
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Neyland played 10.2 games per season to average 8.24 wins per season. Heupel is playing 13 to average 8.83. Fulmer also averaged over 12 games for his average. Earlier coaches had fewer opportunities for wins, thus the skewed averages.
 
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The whole "rEmEmBeR tHe MeSs He InHeRiTeD" argument doesn't really hold water in year 5 of Heupel when there isn't a single player that he didn't accept a commitment from on the team. It's wholly his program now, and it underachieved this year. I don't want him fired. I want him to succeed here and win championships. I also see things that make me question whether he can do that.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Vanderbilt did very well in the portal, getting a ton of older and more mature players than most teams. Heupel might want to use the portal in a similar way. Obviously we recruit to a much higher level of HS guys so we don't want to disrupt that model. That being said, we might want to look at high level graduates from G5 schools when replacing our guys who enter the portal
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Heupel might want to do a LOT of things if he wants to continue being the coach of a major football program. Gotta be proactive and not reactive. For the amount of money he is getting paid, I don't think it's too much to ask to not get out hustled in the portal by a program with the resources of vanderbilt. After losing Jakobe Thomas and that safety recruit that flipped to florida at the last second, there was no excuse not to be all in on safeties in the portal. LB has been another major area of concern, that hasn't been addressed appropriately. Can't have major weaknesses and expect to be elite.
 
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Everything the OP said! 👍 Heupel 100% should have our support and the chance to make changes as he sees fit! If next year is like this one then you can flail away but not this early.,
 
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GVF said:
Does anyone actually know the long tradition of UT football ??!!

We've never had one single coach, not even Neyland himself, that has ever, ever averaged 9 wins or more over their tenure. Not one.

When it comes to average wins per season:

Fulmer - 8.88
CJH - 8.83
Bill Battle - 8.43
Neyland - 8.24

Those are the only 4 UT coaches EVER to clear an 8 game average wins per season over the course of their UT HC career.

Lighten up all you Nancies. Your current coach is #2 all-time thus far by the one SINGLE METRIC any of you care about.
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Thanks for the update, Barney!

Neyland would have a hard time averaging 10 wins when he started coaching 9 game seasons.
 
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Boston Vol said:
It’s fair to point out that Heupel is benefiting from playing 12 regular season games. The twelfth being an auto win in the non-conference. Fulmer is the only other coach that got to play 12 regular season games and that was only in 5 of his 16 seasons.
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That is true, and in a previous post a few weeks ago I did remember to include that tidbit. 12 game regular seasons began in the early 90's IIRC. So, for comparison Major's 7.25 and Dickey's 7.67 comparatively would be 8.25/8.67.

My ultimate point is for all these "fans" demanding 9/10+ win seasons EVERY year, we don't have a coach that ever achieved a 9 game average over their career. That's a very tall order for the best of coaches that spend any amount of time in one place.
 
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GVF said:
That is true, and in a previous post a few weeks ago I did remember to include that tidbit. 12 game regular seasons began in the early 90's IIRC. So, for comparison Major's 7.25 and Dickey's 7.67 comparatively would be 8.25/8.67.

My ultimate point is for all these "fans" demanding 9/10+ win seasons EVERY year, we don't have a coach that ever achieved a 9 game average over their career. That's a very tall order for the best of coaches that spend any amount of time in one place.
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Convert the wins and losses to a percentage of that helps you compare the 12 game season to earlier years.
 
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barrylee said:
Everything the OP said! 👍 Heupel 100% should have our support and the chance to make changes as he sees fit! If next year is like this one then you can flail away but not this early.,
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What type of support are you talking about? Should we email him and encourage him to do his job? He gets about $10 mil/yr. That should be support enough.
 
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GVF said:
That is true, and in a previous post a few weeks ago I did remember to include that tidbit. 12 game regular seasons began in the early 90's IIRC. So, for comparison Major's 7.25 and Dickey's 7.67 comparatively would be 8.25/8.67.

My ultimate point is for all these "fans" demanding 9/10+ win seasons EVERY year, we don't have a coach that ever achieved a 9 game average over their career. That's a very tall order for the best of coaches that spend any amount of time in one place.
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12 games were tried out for the first time in the 2002 and 2003 seasons. They became permanent in 2006. Some teams did play more than 11 regular season games in the late 80s and into the 90s, but that was only if they played in some type of week zero game. I believe they used to be called the pigskin and kickoff classics.
 
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I agree with all said until the blow out loss to Vandy at home. Now combine that with last years non-performance in the playoff game. I didn't expect to win either game but Vandy drove the ball like we were not there and OSU was throwing us around like rag dolls. I don't remember one good play on either side of the ball. They were laughing at us having to drive all the way back home after that one. I am in it for the entertainment, I don't like beating D2 teams by 50 and I don't like getting run off the field when we are favored. I think all fans just want to be have big games to watch, which Heupel has created, and just be competitive in those games. I am amazed that he gets top recruits after these lopsided losses right before signing day.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Neyland played 10.2 games per season to average 8.24 wins per season. Heupel is playing 13 to average 8.83. Fulmer also averaged over 12 games for his average. Earlier coaches had fewer opportunities for wins, thus the skewed averages.
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Yeah, just got reminded of that by another. I did that graphic few weeks ago and "adjusted" the comparison for games per season from those eras. Win percentage is always better.

However....even adjusted...dividing total career wins by years coached, Neyland may hit right at 9 games per year average. Assuming you add 21 games to his stats and by his win percentage he'd take 17 of them. Add that to his 173 wins divided by his 21 years and he's dead on 9 games. But, he'd be the only UT coach to make it 9 games adjusted to make comparisons to post 1990 coaches fair as it can be. And in this case that'd make CJH #3/4 and PF #2/3 so far all-time in average wins with adjusted (I didn't adjust Bill Battle but he'd most likely pass CJH with an adjustment and get sloer to PF maybe. Top 4 would be those, and no one else close enough to do the math. And didn't even bother with anyone less than 5 seasons coaching.

Point is, we ask alot of games to be won every single year when it is realy hard to do.
 
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Volfan76 said:
Heupel might want to do a LOT of things if he wants to continue being the coach of a major football program. Gotta be proactive and not reactive. For the amount of money he is getting paid, I don't think it's too much to ask to not get out hustled in the portal by a program with the resources of vanderbilt. After losing Jakobe Thomas and that safety recruit that flipped to florida at the last second, there was no excuse not to be all in on safeties in the portal. LB has been another major area of concern, that hasn't been addressed appropriately. Can't have major weaknesses and expect to be elite.
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Well yeah, I agree with some of your post but was specifically speaking about using the portal to fill needs from departures. You make some solid points
 
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I will but he's gotta meet me every morning to run laps around Neyland to get in shape.

I mean no fat sloppy coach has EVER won anything. Fact. Science. Don't even look it up because it's true.
 
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After getting our asses whipped by flipping Vandy and out prepared....out played..motivated...and out coached. The wagons are circling alright.

This was year 5....it's his team. Pruitt was at the helm 6 season ago. It's all on Heupel and company. Every bit.
 
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Boston Vol said:
12 games were tried out for the first time in the 2002 and 2003 seasons. They became permanent in 2006. Some teams did play more than 11 regular season games in the late 80s and into the 90s, but that was only if they played in some type of week zero game. I believe they used to be called the pigskin and kickoff classics.
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When I did this previously I looked at the regular season W/L/T and added them up (and deducted any post season games) and found the year breaks from 10 games to 11 games to 12 games. But, my recall is not that great today and i didn't desire to put in that time again to re-generate that. So going off memory, I'm a little off, but all that work again would only yield getting one UT coach to 9 games average (Neyland). And the only reason I was doing that verses established and known win percentages is that so many on VN clamor about having to be 9/10 win a season coach to be acceptable and the reality is that is a very, very tall order even for the best coaches historically.
 
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I've noticed several people talking about Vanderbilt not having much money. But, they are going to open a satellite school in New York, and another somewhere in Florida. Their not as poor as people think.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Neyland played 10.2 games per season to average 8.24 wins per season. Heupel is playing 13 to average 8.83. Fulmer also averaged over 12 games for his average. Earlier coaches had fewer opportunities for wins, thus the skewed averages.
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OK, doing a quick and dirty. Total games coached/years coached = games played per year avg. & Win %

JH - 12.8 .703
PF - 12 .743
BB - 11.86 .723
JM - 11.63 .645
DD - 10.83 .738
RN - 10.29 .829

So...Taking win% x JH average games per season = Adjusted wins per season average per coach to current format:

JH - 8.998
PF - 9.51
BB - 9.254
JM - 8.256
DD - 9.446
RN - 10.61

So JH is holding right at 9 games average in the 5 spot. So, I had to clean up a little math. Of our 6 "relevant" coaches, he's #5, assuming the other 5 would perform equally in today's football. JH's stats are for the 5 completed seasons. That 9 will be coming down. And we'd have fared better keeping PF longer rather than roaming the desert.
 
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UT Hill Man said:
…patience to let Heupel's long-term vision and recruiting classes fully mature…
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5 years is long-term in the coaching world, especially when you consider some coaches only require a couple of years to have their team competing for championships.

In year 5 we shouldn’t be finishing at 4-4 in the SEC.
 
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