Is what Lane doing to Ole Miss worse than what he ever did to Tennessee?

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vavolfan6 said:
That is your perception. I could argue that Lane Kiffin does have alot of respect for his profession and is why he knows he needs to take the LSU job if he wants to seriously compete for a national championship. After making that obvious decision, he still stuck around and took a beating in the media to continue coaching and help his current roster of players to succeed. But Ole Miss gave him an ultimatum forcing him to make a decision. The football calendar doesn't help either. Yet Kiffin was willing to use his leverage to still coach Ole Miss in the playoffs. He knows without him, Ole Miss is a mediocre team who will lose, which is also why he is leaving.

Your's and everyone's problem is that he chose to go to LSU. That is it. After making that decision, which is the wise and obvious one to make, he was in a no win situation.
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He played “games“ for a week when he knew where he was going. I really don’t care where he coaches as long as as it is not Tennessee
 
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I mean we are talking about a program whose pinnacle was being part of a Sandra Bullock movie.

Ole Miss simply doesn't have the history of success to compare the Kiffin jump to USC.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
The odds are against Ole Miss. No team with a blue chip ratio under 50% has women the national championship since 2010. The recruiting ability of Ole Miss is limited. They have topped out with a top 15 class and that is only due to scouring the transfer portal.

At LSU, Kiffin will have access to top 5 classes. If he were to stay at Ole Miss he would have to compete with someone else in that position on a permanent basis. Now that he takes that job, he has supreme resources and competes against schools with less.
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Some people are builders. Some people are clingers. Indiana has the most losses in college 🏈 history and is a 🔝 2 team in the country. Cignetti is 🔒 in and I honestly hope Indiana wins the whole thing.

With NIL now the landscape is changing. There are very few, if any “great” teams. Tons of parity. Lane isn’t going to win at LSU. He’s a good coach, not an elite one. He’ll be gone in 5 years tops
 
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Delmar said:
Bailing before the playoffs is a quantum leap worse than what he did to us. How LSU is all that comfortable with that sleazeball is a mystery to me. Can’t trust him whatsoever. They are next in line to get Kiffined when he gets the itch to try the NFL. He’d do a snake if he could get its mouth open.
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The AD told him he could not stay so what choice did he have. He wanted to finish the season but they said no. So who is against the kids.
 
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Coaches and players will do the same thing so why pick on just one. In the NIL age players will opt out of bowl games or stay out of games in a bad year so they can transfer in the portal. It's already happened. You just accept it now. There will probably be no 4 year players at the same school any more.
 
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Volhoops said:
Coaches and players will do the same thing so why pick on just one. In the NIL age players will opt out of bowl games or stay out of games in a bad year so they can transfer in the portal. It's already happened. You just accept it now. There will probably be no 4 year players at the same school any more.
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Hairy Vols said:
If I were Ole Miss I’d tell him to kick rocks. His vanity means nothing to the man abandoning the program for an in conference rival.

Just like Savan kicking him to the curb before the championship game. He is a clown and we are lucky we never entertained the idea of hiring this man back.
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Was Savan good? I don't recall him*...

*or her, I know it's 2025 and all.
 
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I hoped Kiffin was the guy to make the Vols relevant. He may could have been, but he screwed us. He destroyed USC. He kept his smug self low and acted as if he was a “good human.” He is not. He cares for nothing. Let’s all hope LSU spends the next 20 years in the TN desert he put us in. He hasn’t coached a college football playoff game. Let’s hope he never does. He su**s.
 
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Lane Kiffin's trail of broken hearts: Raiders: 5-15 in 2 yrs, fired amid Al Davis clashes Tennessee: 7-6 2009 ghosts to USC on a midnight flight USC: 28-15 in 4 yrs, canned on LAX tarmac 2013 Ole Miss: 55-19 over 6 yrs, 11-1 & CFP-bound, swaps for LSU
 
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MDsweetT said:
Some people are builders. Some people are clingers. Indiana has the most losses in college 🏈 history and is a 🔝 2 team in the country. Cignetti is 🔒 in and I honestly hope Indiana wins the whole thing.

With NIL now the landscape is changing. There are very few, if any “great” teams. Tons of parity. Lane isn’t going to win at LSU. He’s a good coach, not an elite one. He’ll be gone in 5 years tops
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Cignetti is dumb as a brick for staying at Indianna over PSU. Why let another talented coach fill that vacancy that will have access to more resources and have to compete against them? It's foolishness. But Cignetti has an inflated ego. He thinks he can win anywhere. But he still hasn't faced an SEC team. He is a good coach, but doesn't quite grasp the understanding of what it means to compete against the Ohio State's and Georgia's and 5 star rosters of college football.

Whether Lane succeeds or not, which I expect him to, the path is easier than staying at Ole Miss playing against a 9 game conference schedule. He doesn't have to worry about going up against a more resourced LSU every year. Losing to them last year is what kept Ole Miss out of the playoffs. He can now be the more resourced team on the field against most of his opponents.
 
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Volhoops said:
The AD told him he could not stay so what choice did he have. He wanted to finish the season but they said no. So who is against the kids.
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You are kidding yourself if you think he gives one 💩 about the “kids”. The only reason he wanted to coach them in the playoffs is because it’s his nature as an attention whore to constantly seek attention. In the playoffs he’d be front and center and now he’ll have to wait. He’s a POS, always has been, always will be. I don’t blame the AD one bit. If you ain’t with us 100%, GTFO.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Kiffin is and always has been focused on himself and himself only. Idk about being worse. Timing was terrible for Tennessee; Ole Miss probably is in a much better position to make a good hire. Of course he is going to a rival so there’s that.
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He is going to a rival and likely taking whomever he wishes from the Ole Miss team with him. This is far worse than he treated TN
 
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It's Vols or nothing! said:
Reports coming out this morning have been wild. He's leaving but is delaying the meeting with players because he's trying to get coaches to come with him. Also, reportedly, he's mad he's not going to be allowed to coach Ole Miss in the playoffs while accepting the LSU job. He's trying to stand on a bridge that he burnt lmao

This has playoff implications involved and I'm not even sure if they will make it at this point. If FSU can go undefeated and be left out, im not so sure Ole Miss can't be left out too
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That was in the 4 team playoff.
 
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SmashMouth said:
yes. He left UT to coach at his dream school. USC. Still don't understand why everyone go so bent about that? really? If I had a shot at my dream job...."well, bye" Too bad he crapped all over that job!!! :) real sad!

Moving from Ole Miss to LSU is a wash with the transfer portal. Recruiting is so much different nowaday. You can win at either school. 12 million a year. I guess that means something to most folks. I don't see this as a good move, guess we will see.
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LSU and Ole Miss are not a wash. HS recruiting is significantly easier and they likely have 2x the NIL budget.
 
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Delmar said:
Bailing before the playoffs is a quantum leap worse than what he did to us. How LSU is all that comfortable with that sleazeball is a mystery to me. Can’t trust him whatsoever. They are next in line to get Kiffined when he gets the itch to try the NFL. He’d do a snake if he could get its mouth open.
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LSU is just as guilty as Lane, so not sure why you think they would be uncomfortable hiring him?
 
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Volhoops said:
I lay all of this at the feet of the NCAA for not preventing the tampering of a current employed coach until the college season is over. If you fire a coach you should have to wait until the season is over to hire. Teams that have coaches hired away from them should be allowed to have a separate portal at the end of January to allow their new coach to recruit for his new team.
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This.

The NFL has such anti tampering rules in place already. College ball should follow suit...

Yes, the NFL has anti-tampering rules that govern the hiring of coaches (particularly head coaches and coordinators) during the season, as outlined in the league's Anti-Tampering Policy for non-player personnel. These rules aim to promote competitive balance, prevent distractions for teams in contention, and ensure fairness in the hiring process by restricting when and how teams can contact, interview, or hire coaches under contract with other NFL clubs.

### Key Elements of the Rules
- **Contract Requirements**: All coaches performing full-time duties during the regular season or playoffs must be under a valid contract with their current team, even if they are not year-round employees. Hiring without permission from the current employer violates the policy.
- **In-Season Restrictions**: During the regular season, teams with coaching vacancies can only conduct in-person or virtual interviews with:
- Internal candidates (from their own staff).
- Coaches not currently employed by another NFL team (e.g., unemployed or college coaches, subject to permission if contracted).
- They cannot approach coaches under contract with other teams without explicit written permission from that team, and even then, contacts are limited to avoid interference.
- **Postseason Adjustments**: Once the regular season ends, teams can request permission for virtual interviews with coaches from eliminated teams (with a brief delay, e.g., 2-3 days after their final game). In-person interviews are delayed until after the Divisional Round of the playoffs to minimize disruptions for teams still competing. However, a team can hire a coach from a still-active playoff team if written permission is granted.
- **Prohibitions on Tampering**: Direct or indirect discussions about future employment (e.g., "back-channel" talks or unofficial contacts) are banned during the season. Violations can result in penalties like fines, loss of draft picks, or forfeited games, though enforcement focuses more on players than coaches.
- **Exceptions**: These rules do not apply to hiring general managers or other non-coaching personnel roles. College coaches can be approached with permission from their institution.

These policies were updated in recent years (e.g., 2023-24 cycle) to extend the hiring timeline and improve diversity in candidacies, with the average head coach hiring now taking about 26 days. While the rules primarily activate around the postseason hiring cycle, they extend to in-season scenarios to prevent mid-season poaching.
 
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did anyone else think this was straight outta a country song when they read the thread title?
 
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#122
I thought Kiffin would stay at Ole Miss but he didn't.

What he's done is bought time to wait for the Alabama job to open up AND obtained near generational wealth.

If it all goes south for him, he'll be unemployed with about $90-100M. Life is hard.
 
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MontyPython said:
This.

The NFL has such anti tampering rules in place already. College ball should follow suit...

Yes, the NFL has anti-tampering rules that govern the hiring of coaches (particularly head coaches and coordinators) during the season, as outlined in the league's Anti-Tampering Policy for non-player personnel. These rules aim to promote competitive balance, prevent distractions for teams in contention, and ensure fairness in the hiring process by restricting when and how teams can contact, interview, or hire coaches under contract with other NFL clubs.

### Key Elements of the Rules
- **Contract Requirements**: All coaches performing full-time duties during the regular season or playoffs must be under a valid contract with their current team, even if they are not year-round employees. Hiring without permission from the current employer violates the policy.
- **In-Season Restrictions**: During the regular season, teams with coaching vacancies can only conduct in-person or virtual interviews with:
- Internal candidates (from their own staff).
- Coaches not currently employed by another NFL team (e.g., unemployed or college coaches, subject to permission if contracted).
- They cannot approach coaches under contract with other teams without explicit written permission from that team, and even then, contacts are limited to avoid interference.
- **Postseason Adjustments**: Once the regular season ends, teams can request permission for virtual interviews with coaches from eliminated teams (with a brief delay, e.g., 2-3 days after their final game). In-person interviews are delayed until after the Divisional Round of the playoffs to minimize disruptions for teams still competing. However, a team can hire a coach from a still-active playoff team if written permission is granted.
- **Prohibitions on Tampering**: Direct or indirect discussions about future employment (e.g., "back-channel" talks or unofficial contacts) are banned during the season. Violations can result in penalties like fines, loss of draft picks, or forfeited games, though enforcement focuses more on players than coaches.
- **Exceptions**: These rules do not apply to hiring general managers or other non-coaching personnel roles. College coaches can be approached with permission from their institution.

These policies were updated in recent years (e.g., 2023-24 cycle) to extend the hiring timeline and improve diversity in candidacies, with the average head coach hiring now taking about 26 days. While the rules primarily activate around the postseason hiring cycle, they extend to in-season scenarios to prevent mid-season poaching.
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The NFL enjoys Antitrust Law protection which allows A LOT of things college ball cannot do, as we've seen with the continual NCAA lawsuits.

The NCAA cannot legally protect teams from tampering any more than most businesses cannot prevent another company from contacting and poaching executives.
 
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The Legend of He-Heaux Kiffen

Is what Lane doing to Ole Miss worse than what he ever done to Tennessee?

I thought Kiffin would stay at Ole Miss but he didn't.

He played “games“ for a week when he knew where he was going to be!
 
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LSU deserves Lane Kiffin. He is a slimeball but I must admit is a solid offensive coach. He will flameout in Louisiana in spectacular fashion. Ole Miss got their program rebuilt in mercenary fashion with free agents and now Pete Golding inherits remnants of that squad. Lane will take a bunch of Ole Miss players with him to LSU and it will be one royal mess.

Kiffin crapped on the Vols bigtime and particularly on the hair brained AD who hired him. Wow did that disastrous decision ever come back to haunt Tennessee.
 
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