Aguilar eligibility update

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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So, could a player who played D3, with little chance of NIL, argue that they deserve to be able to sign and play 4 years of D1 if offered because of NIL opportunities?

What about a player who played in the pre-NIL era, should they be able to come back because to not let them play now denies them NIL opportunities?

What you're doing is eroding the "timing out" of players in college, so when players begin to sue to play beyond 4 or 5 years because the NCAA is "denying them NIL opportunities" what's your answer? Why just 4 or 5 years? Why not 10?
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The OP's post brings out more questions than answers and everybody has questions so take it as that. You do bring up an interesting point. Some lawyer, if not already, is going challenge this second point you have made. As another poster said, pandora's box has been opened. Going to be crazy for awhile.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So, could a player who played D3, with little chance of NIL, argue that they deserve to be able to sign and play 4 years of D1 if offered because of NIL opportunities?

What about a player who played in the pre-NIL era, should they be able to come back because to not let them play now denies them NIL opportunities?

What you're doing is eroding the "timing out" of players in college, so when players begin to sue to play beyond 4 or 5 years because the NCAA is "denying them NIL opportunities" what's your answer? Why just 4 or 5 years? Why not 10?
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No, because D3 is still part of the NCAA. Pavia and others are challenging the juco time being counted the same as D1 time, because juco's are not under the umbrella of the NCAA. It's like going to an extra year of prep school and the NCAA saying that counts. Which it doesn't of course. They have a legit argument, which is why Pavia got the injunction.

Also, keep in mind to your other point that about five players have filed a class action lawsuit asking the courts to grant a five year eligibility option. We've covered this in several other threads including the one on JA. Y'all should read before posting.

As I have stated in those other threads, the chances Joey gets another year is fairly high. What was not know until he joined the lawsuit was whether he wanted another year. And to one of the other questions above he will not get two years. Pending the case of the extra fifth year, if you wipe Joey's JUCO time and he comes back next year he will have expended all of his four years of D1 time.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
The OP's post brings out more questions than answers and everybody has questions so take it as that. You do bring up an interesting point. Some lawyer, if not already, is going challenge this second point you have made. As another poster said, pandora's box has been opened. Going to be crazy for awhile.
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My issue is that people on VN will cheer if "We get Joey A for another year!!!!!" then when another school uses our involvement in this case to keep some guy for an extra year it will be "Why do these people keep ruining college football by having guys play so long?"

It's like a little kid pushing, pushing, pushing on a Lego house they built then crying when it finally falls over.

UT and Tennessee have been involved in most of the lawsuits that have let transfers run wild and we'll cheer now as eligibility requirements are weakened by the courts....... then we'll cry because college football died. Duh.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
I hope the lawsuit fails and JA moves on with his life. If the ruling goes their way it will be <5 years before someone wants to continue to play as long as they are enrolled in college. Then another lawsuit and before we know it we have 33 year old men playing collegiate sports. It needs to stop and i hope it stops now.

If the ruling goes their way, hopefully Congress will enact laws allowing the NCAA to have some power again. Which is not something i hoped to ever say.
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Why can't a 30yr old play college football though? There is or wasn't an age limit to my knowledge.
What if a guy went to the military out of high school for 12 yrs, then decided to go to college and while there decides he always wanted to play collegeball and tried out as a walk-on and made the team.
Thing is people are getting paid out in the open true legit money, it's no shock people will try for it
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
My issue is that people on VN will cheer if "We get Joey A for another year!!!!!" then when another school uses our involvement in this case to keep some guy for an extra year it will be "Why do these people keep ruining college football by having guys play so long?"

It's like a little kid pushing, pushing, pushing on a Lego house they built then crying when it finally falls over.

UT and Tennessee have been involved in most of the lawsuits that have let transfers run wild and we'll cheer now as eligibility requirements are weakened by the courts....... then we'll cry because college football died. Duh.
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Maybe but the NCAA has always been dealing out fools gold and getting away with it. They are the ones who screwed this up. They lacked vision and created bureaucracy and are paying for it now. It's amazing the juco rule had never been challenged before this. The NCAA declaring you ineligible for doing something in a space for which they had not jurisdiction or authority is the most NCAA thing ever.

Maybe it would have worked (maybe not) but they should have created an endowment like trust, fund it with a fraction their millions in revenues annually, and then give student athletes a cut upon graduation. That might have saved amateurism.
 
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UT97Vol said:
Maybe but the NCAA has always been dealing out fools gold and getting away with it. They are the ones who screwed this up. They lacked vision and created bureaucracy and are paying for it now. It's amazing the juco rule had never been challenged before this. The NCAA declaring you ineligible for doing something in a space for which they had not jurisdiction or authority is the most NCAA thing ever.

Maybe it would have worked (maybe not) but they should have created an endowment like trust, fund it with a fraction their millions in revenues annually, and then give student athletes a cut upon graduation. That might have saved amateurism.
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So your answer is: it's broken already so let's really smash it all up. Who cares?

Rather than avoid stretching eligibility toward comical limits, let's push it because it's good for us next year (and it is) because the NCAA is already toothless and can't stop it.

Sure, there's a plan that's good for everyone. 🙄
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So your answer is: it's broken already so let's really smash it all up. Who cares?

Rather than avoid stretching eligibility toward comical limits, let's push it because it's good for us next year (and it is) because the NCAA is already toothless and can't stop it.

Sure, there's a plan that's good for everyone. 🙄
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Guys like Pavia and Joey A shouldn’t get 8th and 9th years of eligibility to play football. An argument could easily be made that 7 years is too much. This is getting ridiculous.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Guys like Pavia and Joey A shouldn’t get 8th and 9th years of eligibility to play football. An argument could easily be made that 7 years is too much. This is getting ridiculous.
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The answer here seems to be what I call the "Looter's Argument."

Hey, I didn't break the window and besides, these guys should've had bars over the windows years ago. Anyway, since the window is broken, I'm going in and get a TV.......
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So your answer is: it's broken already so let's really smash it all up. Who cares?

Rather than avoid stretching eligibility toward comical limits, let's push it because it's good for us next year (and it is) because the NCAA is already toothless and can't stop it.

Sure, there's a plan that's good for everyone. 🙄
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I think a lot of what's happened is ridiculous, but you can't put genie's back in bottles. It is what it is now, so not going to spend a lot of time worrying about it.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So your answer is: it's broken already so let's really smash it all up. Who cares?

Rather than avoid stretching eligibility toward comical limits, let's push it because it's good for us next year (and it is) because the NCAA is already toothless and can't stop it.

Sure, there's a plan that's good for everyone. 🙄
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End of the day people not going to want to hear the answer but it's only getting fixed when Congress steps in and grants anti trust so that rules can be put in place because until happens it's going to get pushed and pushed to as long as I'm a student meeting the academic requirements and the coaches want me, then I should be allowed to play
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
Why can't a 30yr old play college football though? There is or wasn't an age limit to my knowledge.
What if a guy went to the military out of high school for 12 yrs, then decided to go to college and while there decides he always wanted to play collegeball and tried out as a walk-on and made the team.
Thing is people are getting paid out in the open true legit money, it's no shock people will try for it
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This actually isn't a new problem. When I worked as the clubhouse manager for the Smokies in the 90s one of the guys in the Blue Jays system was Chris Weinke. We used to throw football out of the field before games, so it was no surprise when he finally retired from pro baseball that he ended up at FSU to play QB. I sent him a message back then and told him I would be pulling for him so long as he didn't play my Vols. Little did I know we would eventually end up playing FSU in the national title game and he would win the Heistman. Fortunately, for us he couldn't go after getting injured against Florida that year. I think he enrolled at 25 and was 28 when he won the Heistman.
 
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Well the NCAA is not know for making good and/or logical decisions. The box has been blown apart now and all the pieces scattered in many directions. This is a lawyers dream situation. All we can hope for is that some sanity comes back sooner than later before CFB is unrecognizable, if it's not already.
 
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UT97Vol said:
This actually isn't a new problem. When I worked as the clubhouse manager for the Smokies in the 90s one of the guys in the Blue Jays system was Chris Weinke. We used to throw football out of the field before games, so it was no surprise when he finally retired from pro baseball that he ended up at FSU to play QB. I sent him a message back then and told him I would be pulling for him so long as he didn't play my Vols. Little did I know we would eventually end up playing FSU in the national title game and he would win the Heistman. Fortunately, for us he couldn't go after getting injured against Florida that year. I think he enrolled at 25 and was 28 when he won the Heistman.
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If the doomer scenario of infinite eligibility comes to pass, we will be living in a bizarro world where most of the elite talent ends up having so-so college careers before matriculating to the NFL, while the college game is dominated by slightly less talented guys who more than make up the difference by being grown ass men.
 
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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
If the doomer scenario of infinite eligibility comes to pass, we will be living in a bizarro world where most of the elite talent ends up having so-so college careers before matriculating to the NFL, while the college game is dominated by slightly less talented guys who more than make up the difference by being grown ass men.
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Just wait until it all goes sideways where we fully eviscerate the college model altogether and the University of Alabama football wants to move to L.A. because the state won't pony up for a new stadium.
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
End of the day people not going to want to hear the answer but it's only getting fixed when Congress steps in and grants anti trust so that rules can be put in place because until happens it's going to get pushed and pushed to as long as I'm a student meeting the academic requirements and the coaches want me, then I should be allowed to play
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Those who can practice law, practice law.
Those who can't, get elected.

I've said before, Congress has 31 TRILLION better things to take care of rather than spend one minute on college football.

Granted, they COULD create a special legal class where "you're not a pro athlete employee of the school, you're a college athlete who gets paid to play a sport for the school...... there's a difference because we say there's a difference" which sounds like something Congress would do.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Those who can practice law, practice law.
Those who can't, get elected.

I've said before, Congress has 31 TRILLION better things to take care of rather than spend one minute on college football.

Granted, they COULD create a special legal class where "you're not a pro athlete employee of the school, you're a college athlete who gets paid to play a sport for the school...... there's a difference because we say there's a difference" which sounds like something Congress would do.
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Since when has 31 trillion better things stop them from stepping into something, College football is big money, gambling and has big time donors to congress critters pockets, schools are eventually gonna want some type of balance
 
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