Trump Orders U.S. Military Action Against Terrorist Drug Cartels

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EasternVol said:
Murder for hire? Did it benefit TdA's political goals?
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There's no mention of political motives in that criteria.

(I) The highjacking or sabotage of any conveyance (including an aircraft, vessel, or vehicle).
(II) The seizing or detaining, and threatening to kill, injure, or continue to detain, another individual in order to compel a third person (including a governmental organization) to do or abstain from doing any act as an explicit or implicit condition for the release of the individual seized or detained.
(III) A violent attack upon an internationally protected person (as defined in section 1116(b)(4) of title 18, United States Code) or upon the liberty of such a person.
(IV) An assassination.
(V) The use of any--
(a) biological agent, chemical agent, or nuclear weapon or device, or
(b) explosive, firearm, or other weapon or dangerous device (other than for mere personal monetary gain), with intent to endanger, directly or indirectly, the safety of one or more individuals or to cause substantial damage to property.
(VI) A threat, attempt, or conspiracy to do any of the foregoing.
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EasternVol said:
Murder for hire? Did it benefit TdA's political goals?
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The murder of Venezuelan political dissidents seems to have been political.

But again, as mentioned, their dossier includes terrorist activities (car bombs and other explosives), which the feds don't seem to include political motivation as a part of the criteria.

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EasternVol said:
How does that relate to 'it's all about the money'?
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I never said that. I merely answered your question about what sets terrorism apart. As I mentioned, there seems to be little distinction between whether the mafia would meet the organizational criteria for "terroristic activities" which does not necessitate political motives and does not mention whether they got paid for it.
 
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EasternVol said:
That applies to individuals, no?
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That's the specific list given for criteria as a foreign terrorist organization. First, that they be a foreign organization. Second, that they meet the criteria on at least one of those lists. My quote was literally from the Federal Gov't's Foreign Terrorist ORGANIZATION fact sheet.

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Orange_Crush said:
That's the specific list given for criteria as a foreign terrorist organization. First, that they be a foreign organization. Second, that they meet the criteria on at least one of those lists. My quote was literally from the Federal Gov't's Foreign Terrorist ORGANIZATION fact sheet.

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There's another condition, that the activity threatens the US or US nationals. Doing a hit on a Venezuelan in Chile wouldn't do that. Following are an extract and the document link.

Designation
1.
In general

The Secretary is authorized to designate an organization as a foreign terrorist organization in accordance with this subsection if the Secretary finds that—
A.
the organization is a foreign organization;
B.
the organization engages in terrorist activity (as defined in section 212(a)(3)(B) of this Act [8 U.S.C 1182(a)(3)(B)] or terrorism (as defined in section 2656f(d)(2) of title 22), or retains the capability and intent to engage in terrorist activity or terrorism) ; and
C.
the terrorist activity or terrorism of the organization threatens the security of United States nationals or the national security of the United States.

INA §219 (2011): Designation of foreign terrorist organizations

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EasternVol said:
There's another condition, that the activity threatens the US or US nationals. Doing a hit on a Venezuelan in Chile wouldn't do that. Following are an extract and the document link.

Designation
1.
In general

The Secretary is authorized to designate an organization as a foreign terrorist organization in accordance with this subsection if the Secretary finds that—
A.
the organization is a foreign organization;
B.
the organization engages in terrorist activity (as defined in section 212(a)(3)(B) of this Act [8 U.S.C 1182(a)(3)(B)] or terrorism (as defined in section 2656f(d)(2) of title 22), or retains the capability and intent to engage in terrorist activity or terrorism) ; and
C.
the terrorist activity or terrorism of the organization threatens the security of United States nationals or the national security of the United States.

INA §219 (2011): Designation of foreign terrorist organizations

www.lawandsoftware.com
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It sounds like the feds are making the argument that their terrorist activities make them a foreign terrorist organization whose enterprises threaten us. Or that they have been committing terrorism or terrorist activities that actually directly threaten us, like kidnapping US citizens for the purpose of coercion, taking over US apartment complexes, using violence for coercion, etc...

The fact of the matter seems to be that you were making assumptions without knowing the actual criteria. Now that you know the criteria, and that it doesn't hinge on politics, you can support your argument that they aren't a FTO, but you'd probably need access to and a willingness to publicly share all of our (federal) intel on them that would have had them placed on that list.

Proving that negative would be hard, I suspect.

EasternVol said:
So considering what I was answering, how does that work?
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It looks like it worked well, since we are now apparently in agreement that you made false assumptions about the criteria, and are now apparently not making those false assumptions.

It's yet to be seen whether you are making the assumption that you know more than the federal government's intel, and will continue claiming that they are not an FTO.
 
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JL24 said:
It really blows my mind how supposed American citizens take the side of foreign enemies who deliever pain and death to our people.

You people are evil.
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"Evil" would be supporting us killing people for no good reason because you feel the need to "take the side of Americans" no matter what we do
 
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Encouraging to see the Mexican people beginning to hold their gov't responsible to deal with the Cartels (and allow the US to help).

A Mexican mayor criticized their president for allowing the Cartel control, and was assassinated. Looks like the Mexican people are making their feelings known.

 
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NashVol11 said:
"Lol we gave people the death penalty for allegedly dealing drugs, boo-yah" shows how stupid the average person is
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Sorry for your loss. And any other criminal that you care about, that you don’t know, that upsets you- my condolences.
 
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