Trump Orders U.S. Military Action Against Terrorist Drug Cartels

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CobbVol said:
I guess you had no problem in attacking organizations like ISIS and Al-Qaeda in the past. Is there a difference between them and Tren de Aragua?
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There sure is. The first two are militarized terrorist organizations, one of which tried to set up its own state in the ruins of our mess in the ME. The last one is a capitalist criminal syndicate, not engaged in political terrorism.
 
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TVOLS said:
No nation on this planet decides how this country defends itself or our foreign policy.
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Since you guys live in abject fear of urban areas, trans people, educated children, and equal rights for all people, I'm wholly unsurprised that you are also afraid of "speed boats with brown people in them in international waters".

I will give you a 5 for the mental gymnastics you've employed to try to make this about "national defense".
 
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BeardedVol said:
Since you guys live in abject fear of urban areas, trans people, educated children, and equal rights for all people, I'm wholly unsurprised that you are also afraid of "speed boats with brown people in them in international waters".

I will give you a 5 for the mental gymnastics you've employed to try to make this about "national defense".
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It beats brown people at a wedding.
 
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EasternVol said:
There sure is. The first two are militarized terrorist organizations, one of which tried to set up its own state in the ruins of our mess in the ME. The last one is a capitalist criminal syndicate, not engaged in political terrorism.
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All three are foreign terrorist organizations that impact(ed) the safety and security of our citizens.
 
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EasternVol said:
So you have no problem with someone sniping the staff at Phillip Morris in Richmond?
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Tobacco is legal unfortunately. And subsidized by the .gov.

And yours is a complete non sequitur.

But I'll concede the argument. Personally I'm way more bothered that they are destroying really expensive boats than killing gang trash.
 
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EasternVol said:
There sure is. The first two are militarized terrorist organizations, one of which tried to set up its own state in the ruins of our mess in the ME. The last one is a capitalist criminal syndicate, not engaged in political terrorism.
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So 'political' terrorism makes a difference in how they should be dealt with? Damn if ISIS would have known that think how far along they would be in running our government.
 
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CobbVol said:
All three are foreign terrorist organizations that impact(ed) the safety and security of our citizens.
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No, the South Americans in question aren't a terrorist organization. They're a criminal organization. TdA aren't terrorists like the Gambinos aren't terrorists.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
We’ve tried that for years and it obviously hasn’t worked. This method provides quite the deterrent .
Also, no need to put our officers in harms way doing missle stiles like happens every time you interdict and board a boat
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So we should change to a method that leaves the network intact? Not too smart.
 
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EasternVol said:
No, the South Americans in question aren't a terrorist organization. They're a criminal organization. TdA aren't terrorists like the Gambinos aren't terrorists.
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Are you using the federal gov't's legal definition?



Legal Criteria for Designation under Section 219 of the INA as amended​

  1. It must be a foreign organization.
  2. The organization must engage in terrorist activity, as defined in section 212 (a)(3)(B) of the INA (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)),or terrorism, as defined in section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989 (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)), or retain the capability and intent to engage in terrorist activity or terrorism.
  3. The organization’s terrorist activity or terrorism must threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security (national defense, foreign relations, or the economic interests) of the United States.
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Terroristic Activity:

Immigration and Nationality Act Section212​

Return to Foreign Terrorist Organization factsheet.

Section 212(a)(3)(B) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) defines "terrorist activity" to mean: any activity which is unlawful under the laws of the place where it is committed (or which, if committed in the United States, would be unlawful under the laws of the United States or any State) and which involves any of the following:

(I) The highjacking or sabotage of any conveyance (including an aircraft, vessel, or vehicle).
(II) The seizing or detaining, and threatening to kill, injure, or continue to detain, another individual in order to compel a third person (including a governmental organization) to do or abstain from doing any act as an explicit or implicit condition for the release of the individual seized or detained.
(III) A violent attack upon an internationally protected person (as defined in section 1116(b)(4) of title 18, United States Code) or upon the liberty of such a person.
(IV) An assassination.
(V) The use of any--
(a) biological agent, chemical agent, or nuclear weapon or device, or
(b) explosive, firearm, or other weapon or dangerous device (other than for mere personal monetary gain), with intent to endanger, directly or indirectly, the safety of one or more individuals or to cause substantial damage to property.
(VI) A threat, attempt, or conspiracy to do any of the foregoing.
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Terrorism:

Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989: Terrorism Definition​

** Section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989 defines "terrorism" as "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents."
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EasternVol said:
No, the South Americans in question aren't a terrorist organization. They're a criminal organization. TdA aren't terrorists like the Gambinos aren't terrorists.
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It would appear that the Gambinos could be considered terrorists by the criteria above:

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Orange_Crush said:
It would appear that the Gambinos would be considered terrorists by the list above:

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It would appear that the Gambinos could actually have been considered a terrorist organization in the same way that TdA is, and for the same reasons:

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(I'm not all-knowing, so I am not claiming that the reports are true; just that they seem to align with Federal criteria, and that if that law were to have existed and applied to the mob/Gambinos, they could be considered a terrorist organization as well.)
 
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