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Hairy Vols said:
Imagine it like a pendulum. Heupel gave us enough force with his coaching ability to surprise and outperform our perceived capabilities based on history and talent pool. After that start we have shifted back slightly then last year went back towards the upper echelon of that pendulum by making the playoffs.
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If it were like a pendulum, the better one season is, the worse the next one will be. You want to always be trending upward, but slight blips that don’t upset the overall direction aren’t necessarily a problem as long as they don’t become the trend.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Did Florida look like they quit last week against Georgia?

You're just making things to fit your narrative. It's almost like you want UT to lose so you can be proven right. Pathetic
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They did not, but they have shown a tendency to do that late in the year of bad seasons. I would argue every loss increases the likelihood they will give up. I certainly won’t mind if they decide to go that route. Any victory would be nice, but I’d love to run it up on them in our final annual meeting.
 
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VolCalls said:
McAfee just said on Gameday “in year two, Mike Elko has A&M ahead of schedule” with the rebuild.

Heupel had us in the same spot in his second season: undefeated after eight games and ranked in the top 3.

Does that mean we’re now behind schedule, or that 2022 was a fluke?
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Neither. Because:

a. There is no schedule. It's not an assembly line, logical and predictable. It's 105 testosterone-driven young men being held together by an over-worked, sleep-deprived coaching staff and whatever team chemistry they've developed. It is an equation built on scores of assumptions that is partially erased and re-written every off-season. It's a butterfly flapping its wings over the Andes causing a hurricane 4 months later in the North Atlantic.

b. 2022 was not a fluke. It was a good season. We'll have plenty of those with Josh Heupel as our head coach. We'll have disappointments at times, too. Anything from 8-4 to 12-0 can happen, any season, from here on out. That's just the chaotic nature of college football.*



* And for the trolls and negative Nancies saying "oh, but look at Cignetti at Indiana, he's on a schedule going up and up," I offer you a few exhibits: first, pre-season Illinois. They were supposed to be, in August, what Indiana is now ... and second, 2022 TCU. Remember them? The darlings. Sonny Dykes had them "ahead of schedule and doing miraculous things." Until they went 5-7 the following year. No one talked about them after that.

Next year Cignetti and the Hoosiers could absolutely go 5-7. Or 7-5. And no one will really be surprised. Because that's the chaos of college football.

The rare programs that sustain a very high level of success (like Georgia under Kirby Smart) tend to start with a very stable foundation (like Mark Richt's ten (TEN) 10+ win seasons over the 15 years before Kirby took charge. Or Ohio State's fourteen (FOURTEEN) 10+ win seasons in 18 years under Jim Tressell and Urban Meyer before Ryan Day took charge.

We want to be at that level again. We want to get back there. But that isn't a fast process. And there are bumps and bruises along the way getting there. Especially if a cabal of idiots keeps calling for the coach's head every time we hit those bumps.

Go Vols!
 
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VolCalls said:
McAfee just said on Gameday “in year two, Mike Elko has A&M ahead of schedule” with the rebuild.

Heupel had us in the same spot in his second season: undefeated after eight games and ranked in the top 3.

Does that mean we’re now behind schedule, or that 2022 was a fluke?
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LOL here you go again so predictable and sad
 
#31
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West Vol said:
They did not, but they have shown a tendency to do that late in the year of bad seasons. I would argue every loss increases the likelihood they will give up. I certainly won’t mind if they decide to go that route. Any victory would be nice, but I’d love to run it up on them in our final annual meeting.
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I’ll take a 1 point win
 
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Still have two big ones left: ending the Swamp curse and (can’t believe I’m saying this) beating a ranked Vanderbilt team.

So far, we’re 0-3 in the three meaningful opportunities this season. It’d be nice to turn that trend around, even if we’ve already pi$$ed away any chance at the playoffs.

Still something to play for.
 
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We win out? Great. I’ll be encouraged for next year considering the Nico drama and defense issues. We lose to Florida with them being this bad and firing a coach? Writing is on the wall.

And that writing says we will never be anything more than maybe every other year getting a win over one of your rivals and that’s just not encouraging. We should beat Florida in Gainesville without our fans and spotting them two touchdowns which I’m sure we will.

Vanderbilt? That’ll be a tough game.
 
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West Vol said:
If it were like a pendulum, the better one season is, the worse the next one will be. You want to always be trending upward, but slight blips that don’t upset the overall direction aren’t necessarily a problem as long as they don’t become the trend.
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No pendulum can go up indefinitely. It must always recourse backwards. The level in which it falls back depends the surrounding factors. No college football program can indefinitely continue to improve, which is where my pendulum reference comes from.

Saban at the height of his success swung backwards and had bad years in comparison to his championship ones. His ability and outside factor allowed the pendulum to stay further ahead rather than traversing all the way back.

However I believe that we are hitting around the same ideologies.
 
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VolCalls said:
You’re making an argument based on emotion, not facts. I don’t know how you can say that with a straight face based on the numbers. A&M has the #1 SOR and their SOS is #16 according to the metrics. Our SOS is #18 and we’re 6-3.
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Outside of Notre Dame, who have they beaten?

They struggled to get by Arkansas just like us.

They play Missouri today so we will see how well that goes.
 
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VolCalls said:
McAfee just said on Gameday “in year two, Mike Elko has A&M ahead of schedule” with the rebuild.

Heupel had us in the same spot in his second season: undefeated after eight games and ranked in the top 3.

Does that mean we’re now behind schedule, or that 2022 was a fluke?
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I won’t say a fluke but 22 likely doesn’t happen without the Milton injury. Heup was dead set on playing Milton no matter what. Of course a lot has to be attributed to Golesh because we have regressed since he left. Sometimes you just get beat by better teams and sometimes you get put in the absolute worst positions to succeed. The playcalling, clock mismanagement, etc have been really bad the past couple seasons. This thread is to pump sunshine but we could easily be sitting with 1 loss right now with better in game decisions. Hopefully some people can get reasonable ticket prices the last couple games, that’s a bright spot. Hopefully heup makes some necessary changes and grows a sack by next season.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
No pendulum can go up indefinitely. It must always recourse backwards. The level in which it falls back depends the surrounding factors. No college football program can indefinitely continue to improve, which is where my pendulum reference comes from.

Saban at the height of his success swung backwards and had bad years in comparison to his championship ones. His ability and outside factor allowed the pendulum to stay further ahead rather than traversing all the way back.

However I believe that we are hitting around the same ideologies.
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A pendulum, by definition, the greater it swings in one direction, the greater the counter swing. So, we should be stoked if we have an 8 loss season, as we’d be looking at a playoff run the next year. Progress forward in football doesn’t result in greater backward pressure. It’s the opposite. The further ahead you get, the less likely you are to have a terrible season. Take the 2021 team and have them play as sloppy as this team has and it would have been a really, really bad season. We’ve probably underachieved this season, but because Heupel has elevated the program, we aren’t looking at a Dooley record.
 
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C-south said:
I won’t say a fluke but 22 likely doesn’t happen without the Milton injury. Heup was dead set on playing Milton no matter what. Of course a lot has to be attributed to Golesh because we have regressed since he left. Sometimes you just get beat by better teams and sometimes you get put in the absolute worst positions to succeed. The playcalling, clock mismanagement, etc have been really bad the past couple seasons. This thread is to pump sunshine but we could easily be sitting with 1 loss right now with better in game decisions. Hopefully some people can get reasonable ticket prices the last couple games, that’s a bright spot. Hopefully heup makes some necessary changes and grows a sack by next season.
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It certainly takes a big sack to post that BS on a message board. That is a big SOS
 
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VolCalls said:
McAfee just said on Gameday “in year two, Mike Elko has A&M ahead of schedule” with the rebuild.

Heupel had us in the same spot in his second season: undefeated after eight games and ranked in the top 3.

Does that mean we’re now behind schedule, or that 2022 was a fluke?
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No it means up and down seasons is normal. Do you really think A&M is going to stay in the top 5 for 3 years?? c’mom man you must be trolling
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
lol. This isn’t your typical Vandy team. Any other year I would say you are right. But losing to this Vandy wouldn’t be grounds for putting Heupel in the hot seat.
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But wouldn’t it beg the question why is Vandy outperforming us? We have more resources, same access to the transfer portal, and more money. How did they do more with less, and what do we need to do?
 
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C-south said:
For you that would be a “my truth” type of thing. Reality is reality.
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Reality? Milton was healthy in 2022. If Heupel was dead set on playing Milton, then he would have been starting in 2022. As usual you just popped off some uninformed, speculative BS.

And you wouldn't have the first damn clue how to call plays. Typical of your ilk to be bitching after a play call when it doesn't work. Low info, low cred post. Not surprising
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Reality? Milton was healthy in 2022. If Heupel was dead set on playing Milton, then he would have been starting in 2022. As usual you just popped off some uninformed, speculative BS.

And you wouldn't have the first damn clue how to call plays. Typical of your ilk to be bitching after a play call when it doesn't work. Low info, low cred post. Not surprising
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Lol. I forgot you’re the “know it all” that knows absolutely zero about me or anything else. This is the peak of your contributions. I know truth hurts and you’ll have to respond but didn’t have to to begin with.
 
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