Can we discuss the stupidity of using Nathan Robinson as an extra O Lineman on a pivotal 4th Down?

#76
#76
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Look, as I said I'm not trying to make this more than it was and my issue is those overreacting to the formation, but receivers get chipped and bumped at the line on almost every play.

It was a very short yardage, quick hitter throw, so anticipating getting chipped should be part of the equation, right?

He knew he'd get hit and have to get his head around because the ball was coming out fast. Joey A knew he'd get chipped. Josh Heupel knew he'd get chipped.

Saying he couldn't execute because of something EVERYONE knew was going to happen just doesn't work for me. You can disagree but do you SERIOUSLY think the play was drawn to not expecting contact at the LOS for the receiver?
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It doesn’t matter if it was expected or not. It was a combination of the throw being too soon or the contact delaying him more than anticipated. People are acting like he just didn’t catch it, lol.
 
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joevols89 said:
It doesn’t matter if it was expected or not. It was a combination of the throw being too soon or the contact delaying him more than anticipated. People are acting like he just didn’t catch it, lol.
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He didn't even turn his head toward the QB which I'd ESPECIALLY expect if I knew the pass was coming quickly and I got held up.

It might very well be Joey A threw it too quickly, whether the contact held him up or not, and that's fine if you choose to use that. It might very well be that the chip was more troublesome than expected though on 4th and short the play design should EXPECT a solid chip to disrupt a quick hitter.

Whatever you want to use, it bounced off the back of his helmet.

My point originally was that the formation with a D Lineman in the mix had nothing to do with the failed pass.
 
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VolInDayton said:
A pass hit a wide open scholarship tight end in the facemask. I dont have an issue with the play call.
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Me either. It was a really good play in that situation. The TE didn't execute. He should have avoided contact with the DE and immediately turned to catch the pass. He didn't avoid contact and consequently wasn't able to get turned around in time to catch the pass, which was on target.
 
#83
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terraceparkvol said:
Where do you get JVD #3 barely plays? He’s played a significant number of snaps all year and if you watch closely know he’s been key part of our running attack with 12 formation.
He Made the kick out blocks at end of MS State game where Joey ran in for the score end of 4th and the Bishop 25 yard for the Win in OT too. JH has even mentioned his development.

I sit behind the bench and #3 plays a good bit. Unfortunately he didn’t make the catch this time.
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How many times has he been thrown the ball?
 
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#85
Only thing wrong with that play was the TE effed up and let the damn ball doink him in the head...

How about we discuss opinions. How they are just opinions, with some being quite stupid and most definitely don't warrant their own thread...
 
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m1al said:
Only thing wrong with that play was the TE effed up and let the damn ball doink him in the head...

How about we discuss opinions. How they are just opinions, with some being quite stupid and most definitely don't warrant their own thread...
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Yep, nothing wrong with using a defensive tackle to block out on the edge when his guy disrupts a 4th down play. Nothing wrong with going to a true freshman with 2 catches all year when your season is on the line. Neither of those things is likely to bite you in the ass, the real problem is that anyone would second guess the glorified gym coaches with CTE.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
Not thrown off enough to hit I’m in the hands/face mask at the 1st down marker while being wide open.
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Thrown off enough that he couldn’t get to his spot and get his head around quickly enough to make a catch.

It’s a dumb call for one of two reasons: relying on a defensive tackle to block in space, or relying on a true freshman with 2 catches all year to make the most important play of the season. Take your pick, but the coaches failed the team by not putting the right people in the right positions to make the play.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Thrown off enough that he couldn’t get to his spot and get his head around quickly enough to make a catch.

It’s a dumb call for one of two reasons: relying on a defensive tackle to block in space, or relying on a true freshman with 2 catches all year to make the most important play of the season. Take your pick, but the coaches failed the team by not putting the right people in the right positions to make the play.
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Got his head around fast enough to get slapped with a fast ball in the face.
 
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terraceparkvol said:
He has one TD catch this year and many to come down the road. I'm sure 100's of times in practice since arriving on campus and I'm sure they practiced that play to JVD many many times and with all TE's. It just wasn't executed this time.
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Yeah that one TD catch against ETSU means you should go to him with your season on the line. After all he had that touchdown and that one 5 yard catch against UAB, what more do you need to see from him with your life on the line?
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Yep, nothing wrong with using a defensive tackle to block out on the edge when his guy disrupts a 4th down play. Nothing wrong with going to a true freshman with 2 catches all year when your season is on the line. Neither of those things is likely to bite you in the ass, the real problem is that anyone would second guess the glorified gym coaches with CTE.
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if the guy would've simply made the catch, everyone would be howling what a great 4th down call it was and you definitely wouldn't have started this thread.
 
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C-south said:
It was just as awful. Nobody was remotely fooled. When they’re set up to fail a lot of the times they will.
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As soon as they lined up in that formation I told my son "they're running the Bama goal line play to the tight end again". If my dumbass can see it sitting on the couch guess who else did? The guy on the opposite sideline getting paid millions to defend it.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
There is zero reason to use a D Lineman in that position. Of course bootlickers will say it was open, but it threw off a pivotal play that was designed for a true freshman that barely plays.

On top of that, Heupel directly cost his team 3 points when he refused to accept a holding penalty and let their awesome kicker kick from 55. It is every week now that he costs his team points with his stupidity and tries to get too cute in pivotal situations.
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What I want to see is the Josh Heupel from '21, '22. Stop coaching scared. Be a gunslinger. Get back to being spread out and going hyper speed. It's like he's stuck in his fear by looking for the next Hooker to run his offense without making mistakes. Trust the guys your qb evals and let them play. If they aren't able, change the eval process and/or hire a legit QB coach.

Surely he's not trying to rest his defense is he? What good does that do? They can't/won't tackle a cornstalk. Teams are gonna score anyway so why bother. Leave that debacle to Banks. He's responsible for it anyway. If he's not getting it done, replace him. It happens all the time. You'll live Heupel. Firing a coach won't kill you or them. UT football has gotten Fulmer without Cutcliff stale. Optimism and enthusiasm are slowly dying....at least for me anyway.
 
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#97
The reality of this season is we have falling apart or failed on any and every big play costing us the game . Never have I ever seen such a snake bitten season as my dear departed dad use to say.
 
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#100
Throwing to a guy - primarily a blocker - with 2 career catches surprised the defense. It also was risky given his production to this point. Don’t you want to gown doing what you do best?
 
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