Can we discuss the stupidity of using Nathan Robinson as an extra O Lineman on a pivotal 4th Down?

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Let’s just not come out of timeouts truing to get it to 3rd string TE. Yes open and yes needed to get his head around but let’s not go to the 9th weapon on our weapon list in key moments. They are calling those plays as next man up mentality and doesn’t matter who is playing the position, expect you to make a play. That’s a good mentality. Just easier for success if a proven playmaker gets the ball.
 
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If Josh was brutally honest he would admit he didn’t take the penalty because he doesn’t trust his DCs unit to not give up a 3rd and 23.

It says volumes. It doesn’t have to be this way. Josh needs to upgrade his staff so bad. He needs to grow a set and do what head coaches do.

Right now he is functioning like an OC that has been given the title of head coach.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You probably really do believe in your own world that you know how to coach better than Heupel. Hey why don’t you apply for the LSU job?
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Nope but I can guarantee you for 10 mil a year I could at least know the clock rules and not botch time mgmt every.single.game. If he can’t handle it then he needs to hire a coach to fill that void.

the blind robotic following of fans like you is mind blowing. Even you know when the games on the line you trust your studs…… not your freshmen with 2 catches on the year. You just can’t admit it for arguments sake. It’s okay.

I bet you gargled on butch until he was shown the door as well.
 
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Sure. Robinson and Gentle are part of our jumbo package. We have to sell run to surprise them with the pass. Sometimes the other guy blows the play up because he’s better.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Nope but I can guarantee you for 10 mil a year I could at least know the clock rules and not botch time mgmt every.single.game. If he can’t handle it then he needs to hire a coach to fill that void.

the blind robotic following of fans like you is mind blowing. Even you know when the games on the line you trust your studs…… not your freshmen with 2 catches on the year. You just can’t admit it for arguments sake. It’s okay.

I bet you gargled on butch until he was shown the door as well.
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Heupel is attempting to call plays and manage the game. To your point, you’d be a true head coach and not bother calling the pkays.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Just like the Bama pick 6 play. The play was fine. The execution wasn’t
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You expect a senior like Brazzell or Kitzelman to execute or Mathew’s or Staley.

You hope whatever his name is freshman that’s caught 3 passes at UT will.

If you don’t see a big difference then you’re blind.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
There is zero reason to use a D Lineman in that position. Of course bootlickers will say it was open, but it threw off a pivotal play that was designed for a true freshman that barely plays.

On top of that, Heupel directly cost his team 3 points when he refused to accept a holding penalty and let their awesome kicker kick from 55. It is every week now that he costs his team points with his stupidity and tries to get too cute in pivotal situations.
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It's a case of Josh getting too cute instead of lining up in jimbo and getting two smash mouth yards on 4th and one.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It worked fine. The pass was there and the receiver didn't execute.

The lineman had nothing to do with the failure of the play.
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The way I saw it, the receiver barely got his head turned in time for the ball to hit him. The ball got there before his eyes and brain had a chance to register the ball was on the way, or even that the pass had been thrown yet.

I find it hard to determine who's at fault on this one. Blame the receiver for not looking back sooner, the quarterback for launching the ball too soon for the receiver to have a chance to pick it up, the play call for depending too much on perfect timing, the lack of a block allowing a bump that kept the receiver from hitting his spot on time, or ?
 
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wrangler said:
The way I saw it, the receiver barely got his head turned in time for the ball to hit him. The ball got there before his eyes and brain had a chance to register the ball was on the way, or even that the pass had been thrown yet.

I find it hard to determine who's at fault on this one. Blame the receiver for not looking back sooner, the quarterback for launching the ball too soon for the receiver to have a chance to pick it up, the play call for depending too much on perfect timing, the lack of a block allowing a bump that kept the receiver from hitting his spot on time, or ?
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I can't say for sure Joey A didn't throw it too quickly but it was almost certainly a designed "quick hitter" pass to pick up very short yardage so in my mind the receiver needs to be looking for it from the snap. Bounce off the hit and make the catch.

Years ago I stood brain dead and had designed basketball passes nail me in the face that I should've known would be there and were there while my hands weren't. I didn't execute my position well.

There's no need to string this kid up but the over the top "it was an awful play that never had a chance" isn't right either. I'm not a fan of the big package nor the play call but executed correctly the pass was there to catch.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
There is zero reason to use a D Lineman in that position. Of course bootlickers will say it was open, but it threw off a pivotal play that was designed for a true freshman that barely plays.

On top of that, Heupel directly cost his team 3 points when he refused to accept a holding penalty and let their awesome kicker kick from 55. It is every week now that he costs his team points with his stupidity and tries to get too cute in pivotal situations.
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Where do you get JVD #3 barely plays? He’s played a significant number of snaps all year and if you watch closely know he’s been key part of our running attack with 12 formation.
He Made the kick out blocks at end of MS State game where Joey ran in for the score end of 4th and the Bishop 25 yard for the Win in OT too. JH has even mentioned his development.

I sit behind the bench and #3 plays a good bit. Unfortunately he didn’t make the catch this time.
 
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The dilemma is getting better, isn’t a straight line. It’s curvy, up and down. The team is better.

I think the best defensive minds have just caught up to the offense. There are habits now in the tempo that just don’t work…. Big shot play, hurry to the line for a run, stuffed by a c gap pressure or blitz. The best DC’s have caught up. Now coaching wise he has to identify habits and break em.

The 4th down play was extremely similar to the play vs bama that effectively ended the game.

The offensive echo chamber has to get broken up, and we need to fix the tackling issues on the defensive side.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I can't say for sure Joey A didn't throw it too quickly but it was almost certainly a designed "quick hitter" pass to pick up very short yardage so in my mind the receiver needs to be looking for it from the snap. Bounce off the hit and make the catch.

Years ago I stood brain dead and had designed basketball passes nail me in the face that I should've known would be there and were there while my hands weren't. I didn't execute my position well.

There's no need to string this kid up but the over the top "it was an awful play that never had a chance" isn't right either. I'm not a fan of the big package nor the play call but executed correctly the pass was there to catch.
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JVD may have been taught to look back when he got to a particular spot, so he waited until he got there to turn his head. And Joey may have released the throw to the spot based on timing, too quickly to have the opportunity to adjust for the delay in the route. Often hard to know exactly who was off, when a timing play doesn't work out.
 
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bpalmer28 said:
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Why not just run it? 5 guys blocking 3 or 4 depending on what the safety does and we don’t think he can run for 1 yard??
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1. This is the head scratcher for me. Sure, the TE was open, but on 4th and short, my thinking always goes back to "when you throw the ball, 3 things can happen and two of them are bad." We clearly had numbers on that side of the formation and I'd 1000% bet Bishop could get a yard in that situation vs a quick pass play where everything has to be perfect for it to work.

2. I re-watched the 4th quarter this morning (I was at the game so gotta watch to replay to see things on camera you can't see in person). When JA ran out of bounds w 2:08 left, Heupel was busy looking at his play sheet, not realizing the clock was running as soon as the ball was spotted. To be fair, the side judge waved his hands to stop the clock and I bet that was the last thing CJH saw before looking for his next play, not realizing it would run again after the ball was spotted. He clearly tried to argue w the ref, but when he realized he was wrong he said "youre right' to the refs. This is hugely frustrating bc he's not paying attention in the moment, trying to think ahead. I suspect that has been the case several times this year. He really needs to fix that.

3. Not taking the holding call is also a head scratcher, especially when their fg kicker has already bombed a few earlier in the game. 3rd and 23 has got to be a better situation than just giving up 3 in that situation. I don't like our D in 3rd and long either, but at least give them a chance and make OU earn it. I thought that was pretty weak coaching bc it was yet another "gifted" opportunity for 3 points.

Kinda like airplane crashes, it's usually several "smaller" mistakes that compound on each other and lead to a crash............
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
There is zero reason to use a D Lineman in that position. Of course bootlickers will say it was open, but it threw off a pivotal play that was designed for a true freshman that barely plays.

On top of that, Heupel directly cost his team 3 points when he refused to accept a holding penalty and let their awesome kicker kick from 55. It is every week now that he costs his team points with his stupidity and tries to get too cute in pivotal situations.
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The play was fine, the execution was not. It hit him right in the face.

It’s college football, a kicker hitting a 55 yard field goal has a much lower percentage of success than the other team getting an extra shot at a first down against this defense.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
There is zero reason to use a D Lineman in that position. Of course bootlickers will say it was open, but it threw off a pivotal play that was designed for a true freshman that barely plays.

On top of that, Heupel directly cost his team 3 points when he refused to accept a holding penalty and let their awesome kicker kick from 55. It is every week now that he costs his team points with his stupidity and tries to get too cute in pivotal situations.
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As soon as you use the term "bootlickers" you lose all credibility. The call was fine, kid needed to avoid contact and get his head around a half second earlier.

I do agree on the holding call. That said, we take it and they convert everyone would be losing their mind over that.....
 
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knox73 said:
Yes it was a brilliant call and I hoped they had a surprise play as all else had failed in the running game. Anyway the play was botched and it becomes suddenly stupid or questioned.
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Playcall was excellent if the target was Ethan Davis. The other TEs can't catch in clutch situations.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
My man, if a pass bounces off your helmet, you didn't execute. The pass was there and football is a collision sport (dancing is a contact sport.)

You're stretching. "Hey, look, they've got an extra lineman in so we can disrupt this receiver at the line. We never get a chance to do that." 🙄
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It bounced off his helmet because he was chipped at the LOS which delayed his break/head turning and JA threw it slightly early considering the above. It wasn’t as if he just blundered the catch.
 
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I question why that TE was actually in the game. This is the part of Heupel's offense I don't care for. You bring in jumbo personnel and throw out of it. To a freshman TE of all people.
 
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joevols89 said:
It bounced off his helmet because he was chipped at the LOS which delayed his break/head turning and JA threw it slightly early considering the above. It wasn’t as if he just blundered the catch.
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Look, as I said I'm not trying to make this more than it was and my issue is those overreacting to the formation, but receivers get chipped and bumped at the line on almost every play.

It was a very short yardage, quick hitter throw, so anticipating getting chipped should be part of the equation, right?

He knew he'd get hit and have to get his head around because the ball was coming out fast. Joey A knew he'd get chipped. Josh Heupel knew he'd get chipped.

Saying he couldn't execute because of something EVERYONE knew was going to happen just doesn't work for me. You can disagree but do you SERIOUSLY think the play was drawn to not expecting contact at the LOS for the receiver?
 
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