Boo and McCoy are hurting the defense

#51
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CAVPUT said:
Got no problem with McCoy. He's got a lot at stake and can't afford to rush back. Boo OTOH....
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Does anybody know how many reps Boo got on defense after his poor defensive effort led to a touchdown? I've watched the replay (not looking for that) but don't remember seeing him on the field much....thankfully.
 
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SockeyeVol said:
The issue is not "whole career." The issue is whether he will still be elite, which is what NFL teams are hoping to get in the 1st round.

There're plenty of elite college players who have never been the same after ACL surgery. You can start with Hendon Hooker.
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Hooker’s issues in the NFL probably aren’t ACL related.
 
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cgrish said:
If he has been medically cleared to play, I agree with you, but I have no idea if he has been cleared or not. And I doubt if you do either.
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I just wonder if he takes a redshirt and comes back next year instead of going pro. I think his injury has hurt his draft position and another year of stellar play may be a helpful thing.
 
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LittleVol said:
1 guy doesn't have his mind right. The other guy is trying to take care of his future but his loss hurts our defense, because he's not their to shut down one side of the field, while also creating the AURA of, "look out for yourself".

Throw in not having Arion Carter and thats how Kentucky gets 500 yards total offense and 30+ points.

But Boo being distracted and McCoy staying AWAY has hamstrung our defense.
Oh and Gibson injury.

People are quick to jump on Boo, but I just have to point out McCoy is playing hookie. And when this kind of environment exists it permeates to that entire side of the football.

I said what I said, and McCoy holding out is a huge gamble for him to take.

Eddie Jackson of Alabama in 2014 had the same injury April of that year. Came back and started 8 games. We all know McCoy should have been back weeks ago
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This is year 5. This isnt totally McCoy's or Boo's fault. This is a Tim Banks issue. The secondary constantly looking lost, poor tackling, poor angles to the ball. That is coaching. Seems Tim Bank's zone defense is having the adverse effect of making our own defense more confused than the offense.
 
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LittleVol said:
1 guy doesn't have his mind right. The other guy is trying to take care of his future but his loss hurts our defense, because he's not their to shut down one side of the field, while also creating the AURA of, "look out for yourself".

Throw in not having Arion Carter and thats how Kentucky gets 500 yards total offense and 30+ points.

But Boo being distracted and McCoy staying AWAY has hamstrung our defense.
Oh and Gibson injury.

People are quick to jump on Boo, but I just have to point out McCoy is playing hookie. And when this kind of environment exists it permeates to that entire side of the football.

I said what I said, and McCoy holding out is a huge gamble for him to take.

Eddie Jackson of Alabama in 2014 had the same injury April of that year. Came back and started 8 games. We all know McCoy should have been back weeks ago
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Not true at all. A torn acl is a year long deal if not two to become the same player. I don’t care what anyone says. If I was McCoy I wouldn’t play either.
 
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The trend at the professional level is wait longer for return to play after ACL recon. Plus, we don't have any idea what other dmagae he had: cartilage, etc. This kid is a pro. His advisors know that, as does the university medical staff. He's 9 months from surgery. For comparison, Acuna returned essentially 12 months after his injury/surgery and baseball is non-contact. McCoy's camp is thinking one thing: Feb combine. His tape thus far is sufficient. Pro medical staffs want a mature ACL, not one that will need to be revised, therfore they aren't pushing either.
And the questions was posed above regarding players who haven't returned from ACL? I haven't seen much from Hendon Hooker. Is he the same? We may never know. Average RTP rates after ACL at the D1/pro range from 85-95% depending on the study. So most, but not everyone.
I wish he were playing. Will be surprised if he does.
 
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We are now at the point in the season that McCoy could come back and it doesn't even burn a year for him and he can still utilize his redshirt.

I know he is projected to go to the NFL, but it is an extra layer of security. He can hop back in for a few reps and work himself back in.
 
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aRmo said:
This is year 5. This isnt totally McCoy's or Boo's fault. This is a Tim Banks issue. The secondary constantly looking lost, poor tackling, poor angles to the ball. That is coaching. Seems Tim Bank's zone defense is having the adverse effect of making our own defense more confused than the offense.
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Agree, the lack of fundamentals is very apparent and that's on the coaches. Just improving that would make up for some of the talent losses and make the D decent which could be enough for our O to win out.
 
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I thought I read somewhere he had suffered the "terrible Triad" which is worse than just tearing the ACL. My son suffered from one twenty years ago and was never the same. He is going to need a knee replacement before he's 50.
 
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76vol said:
I thought I read somewhere he had suffered the "terrible Triad" which is worse than just tearing the ACL. My son suffered from one twenty years ago and was never the same. He is going to need a knee replacement before he's 50.
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Had one when I was 47. Came back too early after 1st tear and tore it again then came back and tore my Achilles on same leg..all tied in to being too aggressive trying to come back initially.
 
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Defense needs work.

I have no idea if it's coaching or youth, maybe a little of both. I do trust Danny White to know the answer, and to put a boot up someone's backside if it's a coaching issue.
 
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LittleVol said:
1 guy doesn't have his mind right. The other guy is trying to take care of his future but his loss hurts our defense, because he's not their to shut down one side of the field, while also creating the AURA of, "look out for yourself".

Throw in not having Arion Carter and thats how Kentucky gets 500 yards total offense and 30+ points.

But Boo being distracted and McCoy staying AWAY has hamstrung our defense.
Oh and Gibson injury.

People are quick to jump on Boo, but I just have to point out McCoy is playing hookie. And when this kind of environment exists it permeates to that entire side of the football.

I said what I said, and McCoy holding out is a huge gamble for him to take.

Eddie Jackson of Alabama in 2014 had the same injury April of that year. Came back and started 8 games. We all know McCoy should have been back weeks ago
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It will take roughly 20k reasonable posts for me to ever take you seriously again.
 
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Coming back off ACL in 9 months doesn’t mean he’s completely, 100%, as good as before. I can’t blame McCoy.

Boo, is another story. He’s basically been a no show.
 
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VolMarine1371 said:
You’re crazy if you think McCoy is refusing to play now. If he plays it will improve his draft stock or keep it where it’s at which was top 15 pick coming into this year. He don’t play he will drop in the draft a little. Also he tore his ****ing ACL in January which is normally a 12 month healing process for football. If McCoy could play he would.

Also Gibson being out for the year also hurts just as bad when we are having to play freshman and 4th stringers as DB’s.

And the issue going on with Boo is beyond selfish. I have been one of the biggest Boo supporters all season long and you won’t find 1 thing negative I have said about him up till now. It’s clear he isn’t happy here and his mother isn’t happy with him here, but by time all the issues come out, Tennessee was only Shcool he could play for this season as he missed the windows to transfer. I would not be surprised to see him hit the portal on the first day the window opens in January. His play against Kentucky where he litterlly gave up running full speed and let a TD score without trying to knock him out of bounds was it for me. Wish the kid well, but I rather have kids on the field that will give effort and at least try and little less talented than one that’s thinks he’s a star and is lazy.
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If Boo doesn’t want to be here (and it’s pretty obvious he doesn’t), then I fault Josh and the coaches for playing him. If that’s his attitude, he wouldn’t see the field for me and especially after quitting on that long pass Saturday. I was shocked when I saw him on the field in the 3rd qtr. Let him fade off into the sunset and prepare someone else.

For McCoy, that’s up to him and his doctors. Nobody else should even comment.
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
Not a good take there on McCoy. Little Vol unless your a part of the medical staff or know personally the extent of his injury that is a terrible take. And I believe if he was cleared and ready to play he would be out there. It’s a bad thing to speculate as fact on anyone. GBO
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Has LV ever had a good take?
 
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