Boo and McCoy are hurting the defense

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McCoy hasn’t even gone through contact drills yet, has he? What do you want him to do? Just start for the sake of starting and tear that knee up again? That would be totally smart.
 
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LittleVol said:
1 guy doesn't have his mind right. The other guy is trying to take care of his future but his loss hurts our defense, because he's not their to shut down one side of the field, while also creating the AURA of, "look out for yourself".

Throw in not having Arion Carter and thats how Kentucky gets 500 yards total offense and 30+ points.

But Boo being distracted and McCoy staying AWAY has hamstrung our defense.
Oh and Gibson injury.

People are quick to jump on Boo, but I just have to point out McCoy is playing hookie. And when this kind of environment exists it permeates to that entire side of the football.

I said what I said, and McCoy holding out is a huge gamble for him to take.

Eddie Jackson of Alabama in 2014 had the same injury April of that year. Came back and started 8 games. We all know McCoy should have been back weeks ago
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McCoy tore an ACL in January. It’s typically a year recovery. Wishful thinking for him to get back.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
ACL don't heal the same. Some will never play the sport again. I was never very athletic after mine was repaired.
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That was true decades ago, sure…. But, with medical advances, ACL’s are very rarely career ending anymore, especially for a 20 year old with no significant prior health history.

McCoy’s still virtually a lock to go 1st rd. This corner class is relatively weak, & his sophomore tape was good enough for teams to take the minor gamble on him.
 
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what makes all this even worse is that there is a possibility that Hood is gonna
be out for a while. What will Mateer do to our secondary if Hood is another casualty?
 
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LittleVol said:
1 guy doesn't have his mind right. The other guy is trying to take care of his future but his loss hurts our defense, because he's not their to shut down one side of the field, while also creating the AURA of, "look out for yourself".

Throw in not having Arion Carter and thats how Kentucky gets 500 yards total offense and 30+ points.

But Boo being distracted and McCoy staying AWAY has hamstrung our defense.
Oh and Gibson injury.

People are quick to jump on Boo, but I just have to point out McCoy is playing hookie. And when this kind of environment exists it permeates to that entire side of the football.

I said what I said, and McCoy holding out is a huge gamble for him to take.

Eddie Jackson of Alabama in 2014 had the same injury April of that year. Came back and started 8 games. We all know McCoy should have been back weeks ago
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You’re crazy if you think McCoy is refusing to play now. If he plays it will improve his draft stock or keep it where it’s at which was top 15 pick coming into this year. He don’t play he will drop in the draft a little. Also he tore his ****ing ACL in January which is normally a 12 month healing process for football. If McCoy could play he would.

Also Gibson being out for the year also hurts just as bad when we are having to play freshman and 4th stringers as DB’s.

And the issue going on with Boo is beyond selfish. I have been one of the biggest Boo supporters all season long and you won’t find 1 thing negative I have said about him up till now. It’s clear he isn’t happy here and his mother isn’t happy with him here, but by time all the issues come out, Tennessee was only Shcool he could play for this season as he missed the windows to transfer. I would not be surprised to see him hit the portal on the first day the window opens in January. His play against Kentucky where he litterlly gave up running full speed and let a TD score without trying to knock him out of bounds was it for me. Wish the kid well, but I rather have kids on the field that will give effort and at least try and little less talented than one that’s thinks he’s a star and is lazy.
 
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LittleVol said:
while also creating the AURA of, "look out for yourself".
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How do you say I care more about the game of football than I do the players that play...BINGO
Your whole post was selfish. I want these young players to entertain me at any and all cost. These are 18-22 year old kids. Is football important? Yes, but so is their lives!
 
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VolMarine1371 said:
You’re crazy if you think McCoy is refusing to play now. If he plays it will improve his draft stock or keep it where it’s at which was top 15 pick coming into this year. He don’t play he will drop in the draft a little. Also he tore his ****ing ACL in January which is normally a 12 month healing process for football. If McCoy could play he would.

Also Gibson being out for the year also hurts just as bad when we are having to play freshman and 4th stringers as DB’s.

And the issue going on with Boo is beyond selfish. I have been one of the biggest Boo supporters all season long and you won’t find 1 thing negative I have said about him up till now. It’s clear he isn’t happy here and his mother isn’t happy with him here, but by time all the issues come out, Tennessee was only Shcool he could play for this season as he missed the windows to transfer. I would not be surprised to see him hit the portal on the first day the window opens in January. His play against Kentucky where he litterlly gave up running full speed and let a TD score without trying to knock him out of bounds was it for me. Wish the kid well, but I rather have kids on the field that will give effort and at least try and little less talented than one that’s thinks he’s a star and is lazy.
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Should’ve cut Carter loose whenever his mom went on that Ebonic filled rant on twitter about going to Colorado before the season started. The whole situation makes you have a little sympathy for these coaches(even though they are making millions), I couldn’t imagine dealing with someone who has that much ego coupled to a room temperature I.Q. .
 
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LittleVol said:
1 guy doesn't have his mind right. The other guy is trying to take care of his future but his loss hurts our defense, because he's not their to shut down one side of the field, while also creating the AURA of, "look out for yourself".

Throw in not having Arion Carter and thats how Kentucky gets 500 yards total offense and 30+ points.

But Boo being distracted and McCoy staying AWAY has hamstrung our defense.
Oh and Gibson injury.

People are quick to jump on Boo, but I just have to point out McCoy is playing hookie. And when this kind of environment exists it permeates to that entire side of the football.

I said what I said, and McCoy holding out is a huge gamble for him to take.

Eddie Jackson of Alabama in 2014 had the same injury April of that year. Came back and started 8 games. We all know McCoy should have been back weeks ag
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I don't know what's going on with McCoy, but when I tore the ligament in my ankle in the army as an infantryman, I got back the next week without surgery. My ankle would roll all the time for the next couple of years, even on patrol in Iraq, but I was back nonetheless.
 
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I don't want to cry about who isn't playing (or isn't playing well). I want to ask why we can't get meaningful production out of the backups. I don't expect backups to be elite but they look like, at times, they don't even belong in the SEC. Defenses like UK and Miss State have better play in the secondary.

So we don't have Gibson and McCoy. Not sure about the story with Boo Carter (it might be that he isn't very good). I want to ask what about the other guys and how can they improve?

Maybe the coaches have a plan for it, I don't know. We will see. Honestly, Tennessee has always had issues giving up the pass. It happened a lot in Fulmer era, happened through the Dark Ages, and it is happening with Heupel. Outside of 1999-2005, we haven't had great secondary play.
 
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LittleVol said:
1 guy doesn't have his mind right. The other guy is trying to take care of his future but his loss hurts our defense, because he's not their to shut down one side of the field, while also creating the AURA of, "look out for yourself".

Throw in not having Arion Carter and thats how Kentucky gets 500 yards total offense and 30+ points.

But Boo being distracted and McCoy staying AWAY has hamstrung our defense.
Oh and Gibson injury.

People are quick to jump on Boo, but I just have to point out McCoy is playing hookie. And when this kind of environment exists it permeates to that entire side of the football.

I said what I said, and McCoy holding out is a huge gamble for him to take.

Eddie Jackson of Alabama in 2014 had the same injury April of that year. Came back and started 8 games. We all know McCoy should have been back weeks ago
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Zero chance Boo is on this team next year.
 
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McCoy... no. He's still hurt. Boo? He'll be playing for Coastal Carolina or Georgia State next year. Great returner though. That'd be the only reason we keep him.
 
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Godfatha said:
Boo, yes. He can hit the road.

McCoy, I would hate to see him rushed back, only to mess his knee up and his future. Everything I've heard is he wants to play.
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At this point, I'd have to think he's not coming back. If we lose to OU and eliminated from the playoffs, I'd consider it a certainty.
 
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I see the consensus here is that OP made an irrational statement about McCoy and I totally agree with that sentiment. Concerning Boo, however, I certainly noted his apparent lack of effort against UK and am also concerned that his heart is no longer in Knoxville. I like to give folks the benefit of doubt and am in no way knowledgeable about what is going on in his world, but not giving maximum effort is quite visible to all and leaves it open for all to comment on his desire to be here. It's almost like he has lost his passion for the game itself. Generally when someone makes a mistake there are two ways to respond, one positively and one negatively. It seems that he has chosen the negative pathway. I can only hope I am wrong and he can right his own ship quickly.
 
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LittleVol said:
1 guy doesn't have his mind right. The other guy is trying to take care of his future but his loss hurts our defense, because he's not their to shut down one side of the field, while also creating the AURA of, "look out for yourself".

Throw in not having Arion Carter and thats how Kentucky gets 500 yards total offense and 30+ points.

But Boo being distracted and McCoy staying AWAY has hamstrung our defense.
Oh and Gibson injury.

People are quick to jump on Boo, but I just have to point out McCoy is playing hookie. And when this kind of environment exists it permeates to that entire side of the football.

I said what I said, and McCoy holding out is a huge gamble for him to take.

Eddie Jackson of Alabama in 2014 had the same injury April of that year. Came back and started 8 games. We all know McCoy should have been back weeks ago
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McCoy’s injury was more than just his ACL and he hasn’t been fully cleared by his surgeon or anyone from UT’s medical team. He is not only not “holding out,” he’s been present at every workout, practice and meeting with his teammates and position group in addition to doing everything that’s been asked of him from a rehab perspective.

Furthermore, he’s fully aware that his chances of being a first round pick go down significantly if he is not able to return this season. There is a better chance that he returns to UT next year than there is to test the draft if he’s not cleared for contact by December.
 
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Peradox1K said:
McCoy... no. He's still hurt. Boo? He'll be playing for Coastal Carolina or Georgia State next year. Great returner though. That'd be the only reason we keep him.
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He's had a moment or two in the return game, but I'd hardly call him great. And let's be honest...the "return game" in college football is nothing like it used to be. One could eliminate kickoffs and punts from the game altogether and likely be better off for it. Kick, run and fair catch. Start each drive after a score at the 25 and march off 40 yards and place the ball instead of punting it. Just going thru the motions in today's game. Waste of time IMO. It's certainly no reason to put up with the Boo Carter drama for another season. This is one case where the old adage about "addition by subtraction" is absolutely true.
 
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volhall16 said:
That was true decades ago, sure…. But, with medical advances, ACL’s are very rarely career ending anymore, especially for a 20 year old with no significant prior health history.

McCoy’s still virtually a lock to go 1st rd. This corner class is relatively weak, & his sophomore tape was good enough for teams to take the minor gamble on him.
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As much as it is frustrating to not see him play, you don't want to risk a player like that. It isn't worth it.

The key is why wasn't his backup MORE prepared to handle things. I don't expect the backups to be elite but they can at least be serviceable.
 
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CAVPUT said:
He's had a moment or two in the return game, but I'd hardly call him great. And let's be honest...the "return game" in college football is nothing like it used to be. One could eliminate kickoffs and punts from the game altogether and likely be better off for it. Kick, run and fair catch. Start each drive after a score at the 25 and march off 40 yards and place the ball instead of punting it. Just going thru the motions in today's game. Waste of time IMO. It's certainly no reason to put up with the Boo Carter drama for another season. This is one case where the old adage about "addition by subtraction" is absolutely true.
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Yeah... if CFB went to the NFL returns... he'd be Devin Hester.
 
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LittleVol said:
1 guy doesn't have his mind right. The other guy is trying to take care of his future but his loss hurts our defense, because he's not their to shut down one side of the field, while also creating the AURA of, "look out for yourself".

Throw in not having Arion Carter and thats how Kentucky gets 500 yards total offense and 30+ points.

But Boo being distracted and McCoy staying AWAY has hamstrung our defense.
Oh and Gibson injury.

People are quick to jump on Boo, but I just have to point out McCoy is playing hookie. And when this kind of environment exists it permeates to that entire side of the football.

I said what I said, and McCoy holding out is a huge gamble for him to take.

Eddie Jackson of Alabama in 2014 had the same injury April of that year. Came back and started 8 games. We all know McCoy should have been back weeks ago
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Disagree. This is the 5th year and this is what Banks has produced for a D. UT has talent. Even without those guys it isn't a talent issues. Teams around the SEC and country are dealing with less talent but getting better results.

I'm not sure how deep it needs to go with the D staff... but it needs to start at the top.

Heupel and other good coaches find a scheme that is effective when they don't have ideal talent. I think most can see clearly now that Nico pretty much sucked. So Heupel STILL had one of the best O's in the SEC by handing the ball off to Sampson. Without ideal talent, the Vols were 3rd in total O and 2nd in scoring.

I will agree that Boo needs to just sit until he is completely committed. His pure athleticism shows through from time to time but he appears to be out of position a lot.

Not sure what you expect from McCoy or Gibson. Injuries happen. And CB hasn't really been the worst problem. I'm not sure what you point to as "the problem" other than they often look like they've never been coached. Out of position, wide open receivers. Massive coverage holes. Poor run support. Really talent DL getting gashed.

If one thing is an obvious weakness or even two then talent is often the culprit. But when there is talent and the team looks lost... that lands in the lap of the DC.
 
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