Tony Vitello to SF Giants (Confirmed)

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patrick said:
For you danny dollar water carriers - those that keep receipts.

Here’s one for you - when the dust settles before next season (2026) both Elander and Frank will be gone. I suspect Frank will retire and had Tony V’s departure followed the normal track at the close of season, Elander would have probably gotten a head coaching gig at some other program. Elander and Frank are far too attached to Tony V for Danny dollar to allow them to remain here and the new hire will bring in his own staff.

You just can’t replicate what Tony V did here - it was a Herculean lift.

TN baseball fans and casuals have had the opportunity to see Tony V take TN baseball to the Mount Everest of college baseball - but stick around because you are getting ready to see it crumble into obscurity.
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Never thought i would be alive to see 3 UT programs reach the top and crumble. smfh
 
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05_never_again said:
This is a baseball hire, not football or basketball. No AD at any school will be made or broken by a baseball hire.

As long as he's at or near the highest paid AD in the country, he's going nowhere.
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But DW has now turned up the pressure for himself for football to succeed or else...a lot of people are going to be upset with him over losing TV...now if football starts to slip, he'll be inching closer to his way out the door. Thats what I'm getting at. Everyone has been happy so far because we have been super competitive in all the major sports for the last few years but now he's lost a NC winning coach. Barnes isnt getting younger and JH is continuing to show he cant win big games away from home, and the football team is in danger of potentially free falling from here out and going 8-4, possibly even 7-5. If that happens, things will quickly begin to heat up for Mr. White.
 
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From D1 Baseball.....

There’s zero reason why Tennessee should take a significant step back moving forward, but White will need to approach this situation with delicate hands — something he didn’t often do in his interactions with Vitello. While Tony aspired to be an MLB manager, his relationship with White most certainly played a part as well, given this move and his past flirtations with Texas A&M the past two summers.
 
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From D1 Baseball.....

There’s zero reason why Tennessee should take a significant step back moving forward, but White will need to approach this situation with delicate hands — something he didn’t often do in his interactions with Vitello. While Tony aspired to be an MLB manager, his relationship with White most certainly played a part as well, given this move and his past flirtations with Texas A&M the past two summers.
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From D1 Baseball.....

There’s zero reason why Tennessee should take a significant step back moving forward, but White will need to approach this situation with delicate hands — something he didn’t often do in his interactions with Vitello. While Tony aspired to be an MLB manager, his relationship with White most certainly played a part as well, given this move and his past flirtations with Texas A&M the past two summers.
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No way in hell I believe he flirted with that cult. That would be a backwards move.
 
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txbo said:
From D1 Baseball.....

There’s zero reason why Tennessee should take a significant step back moving forward, but White will need to approach this situation with delicate hands — something he didn’t often do in his interactions with Vitello. While Tony aspired to be an MLB manager, his relationship with White most certainly played a part as well, given this move and his past flirtations with Texas A&M the past two summers.
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You’re unfortunately wasting your breath/text. Our fanbase has basically been divided into two factions, Team Tony and Team Danny and Team Danny does not think our athletic director had any role to play in the decision despite what some national reporters have said to contradict it.
 
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It may be stated in here, but since we made him the highest paid coach in college baseball, spent over 100 million on improving the stadium, and clearly have solid NIL funds for baseball (or we aren't signing top classes every year) what exactly weren't we doing for baseball?

I guess this makes me "team Danny", even though I wanted Tony to stay, but I would just like something concrete showing what we supposedly weren't doing to keep TV. I just assume Tony left because it's the major leagues and San Francisco is probably a top 10 MLB job.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
You’re unfortunately wasting your breath/text. Our fanbase has basically been divided into two factions, Team Tony and Team Danny and Team Danny does not think our athletic director had any role to play in the decision despite what some national reporters have said to contradict it.
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To a guy that has experience managing people, Danny said a lot yesterday... and it was concerning.
 
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BigOrangeFanatic said:
But DW has now turned up the pressure for himself for football to succeed or else...a lot of people are going to be upset with him over losing TV...now if football starts to slip, he'll be inching closer to his way out the door. Thats what I'm getting at. Everyone has been happy so far because we have been super competitive in all the major sports for the last few years but now he's lost a NC winning coach. Barnes isnt getting younger and JH is continuing to show he cant win big games away from home, and the football team is in danger of potentially free falling from here out and going 8-4, possibly even 7-5. If that happens, things will quickly begin to heat up for Mr. White.
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If football starts to slip, he'd be inching closer to his way out the door even if he and TV loved each other and TV won 3 CWSs in a row.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
It’s what the childish necks in this fanbase do. They self destruct. And they might just run off the primary reason that UT athletics are going through its most successful period in history. All because they never learned how to deal with their emotions in an adult manner.
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I feel like there is a lot of broad-stroke painting on both sides of the argument.

Danny White is not the sole reason Tony Vitello left, and he isn’t the primary villain in this story. He's also not an innocent lamb, either. I think there is enough evidence out there to suggest that he and Vitello didn't see eye to eye on several things. That's not all on Danny, and it's not all on Tony. It's just two giant egos that both think they're right. And in the interest of fairness, Tony doesn't always color inside the lines enough for a buttoned up boss like Danny White.

The thing I take away from all of this is that Danny White didn't do well under pressure in his press conference, yesterday. The defensive posture, the admittance that he doesn't communicate directly with his coaches very often, and never with assistants. I couldn't believe some of the things I heard him say in front of a microphone. If that really is his approach to personnel, that's an issue, especially for a person who values relationships like Tony Vitello. I just heard it stated perfectly..."When Tony walks into a room, he sees people. When Danny walks into a room, he sees $$$." They just have different approaches and perhaps different goals.
 
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05_never_again said:
If football starts to slip, he'd be inching closer to his way out the door even if he and TV loved each other and TV won 3 CWSs in a row.
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No doubt, but not as fast as he will now. Everything is amplified now because alot of people arent happy with him over how he's managed this situation and looking like a complete moron yesterday.
 
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BigOrangeFanatic said:
No doubt, but not as fast as he will now. Everything is amplified now because alot of people arent happy with him over how he's managed this situation and looking like a complete moron yesterday.
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Yeah he would. As much as TV meant to people here, no AD is going to face serious heat because of what happens with baseball. It just isn't a financial needle-mover.

If football slips, he'll face heat regardless of what happened with TV. Even if TV said, he'd still face heat if football slipped.
 
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TechnoVol said:
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I can't speak for others and I have no idea how good DW is truly at his job and neither does this board. With that being said, TV was paid very well and the stadium has been greatly improved. I suspect he told him something along the lines of we have already made heavy investments and you are paid very well. Maybe CTV didn't like that response and maybe he wanted more NIL support but let's be honest College baseball isn't a heavy revenue producing sport and I have a hard time believing the never ending money supplies being pumped into NIL will continue. It isn't a great investment unless you have money to burn and brings little additional revenue if at all.
 
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BigOrangeFanatic said:
But DW has now turned up the pressure for himself for football to succeed or else...a lot of people are going to be upset with him over losing TV...now if football starts to slip, he'll be inching closer to his way out the door. Thats what I'm getting at. Everyone has been happy so far because we have been super competitive in all the major sports for the last few years but now he's lost a NC winning coach. Barnes isnt getting younger and JH is continuing to show he cant win big games away from home, and the football team is in danger of potentially free falling from here out and going 8-4, possibly even 7-5. If that happens, things will quickly begin to heat up for Mr. White.
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Like DW or not JH was a really good hire. They went after the big dogs no one would take at any reasonable offer. Just look at the previous 4 hires . We're still in the playoff hunt after loosing our QB at the end of spring. I think TV was the best coach we've had in many years but he chose to move on. Highest paid coach given the opportunity to renew the stadium with his input. Moved on to the MLB that was his choice.
 
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05_never_again said:
You did. You said DW has "turned up the pressure for himself, " and that he'll inch towards the door faster if football slips, based on what happened yesterday.

DW is under no more or no less pressure to deliver in football today than he was before TV left.
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Where in that post did I state, "baseball is a needle mover when it comes to money"

And your last statement is simply your opinion.
 
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I made a trip to San Fran. a while back. The people are kinda weird but the place is beautiful. I highly recommend keeping a jacket handy. Thanks Tony. It was fun while it lasted. Good luck.
 
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UTwild82 said:
It may be stated in here, but since we made him the highest paid coach in college baseball, spent over 100 million on improving the stadium, and clearly have solid NIL funds for baseball (or we aren't signing top classes every year) what exactly weren't we doing for baseball?

I guess this makes me "team Danny", even though I wanted Tony to stay, but I would just like something concrete showing what we supposedly weren't doing to keep TV. I just assume Tony left because it's the major leagues and San Francisco is probably a top 10 MLB job.
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There's a semi unspoken thing here I think is somewhat plausible. Its next to impossible to source and prove, so most likely don't care and I get that. Its only me trying to fill in gaps in the story based on the few I talk to and what I know.

If the baseball RevShare was cut, redirected, or otherwise less than desired or planned... there are two options.

Option 1- exist within the new structure the NCAA/House Settlement has laid out and live with it. The numbers are on paper, and those are what you've got. Anything outside of it goes to the NCAA and their Clearinghouse. Any deals made prior to the allocations will just come up short.

Option 2... we keep those numbers on paper and make the missing money up outside of the institutional structure. That is to say NIL deals as they were pre-House, knowing the NCAA is laughably inept and the courts can't wait to whack them with mallet every chance they get.

If the money was cut and the program was going to make it up via Option 2 (as LSU, Texas, etc) are doing but the Admin side wouldn't play ball...that's where the lack of support comes in.

(They had already faced that lack of support when asking for various changes and not getting them. Small stuff like not moving the students or at least leaving a few rows closer to the dugout were ignored. Thats where the frustration really began to grow roots) .
 
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BigOrangeFanatic said:
Where in that post did I state, "baseball is a needle mover when it comes to money"

And your last statement is simply your opinion.
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What? I made the statement about baseball.

I was initially responding to you saying that now that Tony is gone, DW will move even faster towards the hot seat if football starts to slip. My point is that Tony leaving has no bearing on how fast DW moves towards the hot seat if football begins to slip.
 
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05_never_again said:
What? I made the statement about baseball.

I was initially responding to you saying that now that Tony is gone, DW will move even faster towards the hot seat if football starts to slip. My point is that Tony leaving has no bearing on how fast DW moves towards the hot seat if football begins to slip.
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You said baseball doesn't move the needle money wise. I replied with no one is claiming that it does. And you responded by saying i did say that. Never did.
I don't really care if you disagree, its all a matter of opinion. TV leaving is not the point, its what apparently is leading to him leaving with DW not seemingly caring or fighting to keep him or infighting with TV that will contribute to his ultimate downfall. Because football is next.
 
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