Israel vs Palestinians II

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Love the small government lolberts that support the one foreign nation that eats more than anybody else off of the American taxpayer, too. This is how we can all tell you are not productive, serious people.
 
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ButchPlz said:
My mind is completely open. I have no positive feelings for either side.

...but at least my opinion is built from actually studying the situation, not my idiotic "feels".
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We're never going to agree on this. If you have studied the situation then you have failed or were using tinted glasses. No use in arguing the point with a closed mind, we'll just have to peacefully disagree.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Love the small government lolberts that support the one foreign nation that eats more than anybody else off of the American taxpayer, too. This is how we can all tell you are not productive, serious people.
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LOL

Find one post of mine supporting aid to Israel. Go ahead I'll wait. Supporting arms sells, oh yeah I support commerce.
 
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hog88 said:
We're never going to agree on this. If you have studied the situation then you have failed or were using tinted glasses. No use in arguing the point with a closed mind, we'll just have to peacefully disagree.
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Tell me from where you began studying "the situation" and then a discussion can be had. Do you actually know how Israel was founded?
 
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hog88 said:
LOL

Find one post of mine supporting aid to Israel. Go ahead I'll wait. Supporting arms sells, oh yeah I support commerce.
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As long as Americans support Israel doing what it always does, our idiotic government will continue to suck us dry to fund them. This is not a problem that can be split into two different things. But again, a serious person would understand this.
 
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McDad said:
Exactly. The Palestinians inside Israel are peaceful. The violent Pales outside bring the heat on themselves.

If they were peaceful, would they not be have the same opportunity as Pales in Israel? Even with the issues the Pales experience inside Israel.
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After much thought this here is what lead me to the conclusion that a separate state wasnt the best option for anyone, Israeli or Palestinian.

They need to intermingle associate with each other, as difficult as that might be for a generation or two it would pay off for them and the world.
 
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EasternVol said:
Alright then. On the subject of Palestinian rejection of Israeli occupation, why are the occupied Palestinians surly? I'd say it's because they're occupied. It looks like you think they're occupied because they're surly.
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It's both. Occupation lends itself to a culture of fighting back. But there are different degrees of occupation. Israel provides basic necessities to some of Gaza. Retaliation lends itself to ongoing occupation.

Pick any previous peace agreement. Start from there. Rehashing decades or millenia of history is futile. Palestinians are at the mercy of a bigger, stronger, and wealthier foe. Seems logical to me for Palestinians to say, "our people inside israel are treated relatively well. they have a better life than we do. perhaps we should stop poking the bear and focus our attention on pursuit of peace."

It's akin, to me, to some Indian tribe fighting uncle sam with terror tactics. It's only going to go bad for that tribe.
 
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ButchPlz said:
As long as Americans support Israel doing what it always does, our idiotic government will continue to suck us dry to fund them. This is not a problem that can be split into two different things. But again, a serious person would understand this.
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That's a pedantic post. We should be selling arms to any nation that will not turn them against us.

And before you go down that road, yes I'm versed in the USS Liberty.
 
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ButchPlz said:
My mind is completely open. I have no positive feelings for either side.

...but at least my opinion is built from actually studying the situation, not my idiotic "feels".
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I don't either. If I was in charge, Israel funding from uncle sam would be cut off immediately.

I am looking at the dynamic pragmatically.
 
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hog88 said:
That's a pedantic post. We should be selling arms to any nation that will not turn them against us.

And before you go down that road, yes I'm versed in the USS Liberty.
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Are you versed in Netanyahu saying "we" need to go to war with Americans that don't agree with what his government does?

My post is not a pedantic post. You gave a lazy, fence-sitter opinion disguised as an impossible ideal. This libertarian hands-off-ism is how we've ended up with outsized foreign and corporate interest steering our government against what Americans need in the first place. It's pathetic.
 
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McDad said:
I am not aware. In what context was he speaking? A way of men and armaments? A war for the hearts and minds? A war of propaganda?
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“We have to fight with weapons that apply to the battlefield, and the most important ones are on social media,” he said, singling out X and TikTok. He then lashed out at what he called “the woke right — or the woke Reich,” dismissing them as “insane” and “lunatics.”

If Xi Jinping said this, everyone would be losing their minds. Whatever context it is- and he can lean back on saying he means via propaganda- it is highly out of place for a foreign leader to think he deserves the ability to go after American opinion in this way.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Are you versed in Netanyahu saying "we" need to go to war with Americans that don't agree with what his government does?

My post is not a pedantic post. You gave a lazy, fence-sitter opinion disguised as an impossible ideal. This libertarian hands-off-ism is how we've ended up with outsized foreign and corporate interest steering our government against what Americans need in the first place. It's pathetic.
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I am not so I used the google machine and this is what came back:

No reliable source indicates that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called for war with Americans who disagree with him. Instead, the claim appears to be a distortion of statements he has made in recent years regarding disagreements with U.S. administrations, American protesters, and his assertion that the fight against groups like Hamas is a shared struggle.
Here are the facts regarding Netanyahu's statements on America and dissent:
  • Response to U.S. politicians: In March 2024, Netanyahu pushed back against calls from U.S. leaders, including Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, for new elections in Israel. In an interview, he stated that Israel would not interfere in U.S. elections and that the people of Israel would decide their own leadership.
  • Disputes with the Biden administration: Netanyahu has publicly clashed with the Biden administration over military aid and the conduct of the war in Gaza. He has been accused of misrepresenting the nature of these disagreements, but his statements do not call for violence against Americans.
    • Criticism of protesters: In a July 2024 speech to the U.S. Congress, Netanyahu criticized American protesters demonstrating against Israel's military actions, calling them "useful idiots" for Israel's adversaries. While inflammatory, these remarks are not a call for war.
    • Appeals to a shared struggle: Netanyahu often frames Israel's conflict with Hamas and Iran as part of a larger global struggle against radical forces, casting it as a fight shared with America. He has argued that the enemies of Israel are also the enemies of the U.S..
    • Distorted 2001 quote: A quote from a 2001 video of Netanyahu saying, "America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction," is sometimes used to suggest manipulation of U.S. policy. While showing a cynical attitude toward American policy at the time, it is not a call for violence.
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Looks like it's bullchit and not what he said. Quit falling for propaganda.
 
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ButchPlz said:
“We have to fight with weapons that apply to the battlefield, and the most important ones are on social media,” he said, singling out X and TikTok. He then lashed out at what he called “the woke right — or the woke Reich,” dismissing them as “insane” and “lunatics.”

If Xi Jinping said this, everyone would be losing their minds. Whatever context it is- and he can lean back on saying he means via propaganda- it is highly out of place for a foreign leader to think he deserves the ability to go after American opinion in this way.
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Let me make sure I get the gist, here.

he wants to do battle on social media with woke conservatives???

As I typed that out, I scrunched my brow because that doesn't sound right.
 
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EasternVol said:
Alright then. On the subject of Palestinian rejection of Israeli occupation, why are the occupied Palestinians surly? I'd say it's because they're occupied. It looks like you think they're occupied because they're surly.
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McDad said:
Maybe you should be less basic, and stop posting pHallacies.
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He posting peni pics?
 
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McDad said:
I don't know. I am trying not to got tit for tat between the two entities over the years. I am trying to take a macro view of the history.

What do you think it taught us?
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They are not capable is self government in Gaza. They became more dependent on the people of Israel in that time and then attacked the people they depend on for survival
 
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