Israel vs Palestinians II

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EasternVol said:
Dude, seriously? Different governments, very different. Inside Israel is civil government. In the occupied territories it's military rule with very little in the way of rights for the occupied.
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Exactly. The Palestinians inside Israel are peaceful. The violent Pales outside bring the heat on themselves.

If they were peaceful, would they not be have the same opportunity as Pales in Israel? Even with the issues the Pales experience inside Israel.
 
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EasternVol said:
Dude, seriously? Different governments, very different. Inside Israel is civil government. In the occupied territories it's military rule with very little in the way of rights for the occupied.
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There are over 2 million Arab/Palestinian citizens of Israel living peacefully with the same rights as Jewish citizens.
 
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EasternVol said:
Apparently the last several times it was explained didn't stick. Israel controls imports, exports, airspace, offshore resources, movement of people, etc. Funny how those who cite Gaza's lack of economic development don't mention Israel's blockade and destruction of infrastructure there.
There's plenty on the web about the subject. Here's one article:
www.nbcnews.com

Gaza Strip explained: Who controls it and what to know

The Hamas attack that has killed hundreds was launched from one of the most densely populated and impoverished strips of land in the world.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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Of course Israel controls all of that stuff because the people of Gaza have not been able to do so. Just imagine what weaponry would be imported had Israel not had control, again children cannot govern themselves. They have to show that they are responsible enough to make decisions. You treat Gazites as children, they will continue to act like children.
 
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EasternVol said:
That would be pretty unworkable in detail but the gist is good. Workshops, working visits to see best practices applied, etc. would be helpful. Important also are a good constitution and no domination by foreign powers. Don't forget that Gaza is part of Palestine so the rest should be included in the plan. It sounds like a good project for the UN.
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Expecting the UN to oversee peace between Israel and its neighbors is about as good of an idea as hiring Colonel Sanders to manage you egg laying chicken coup.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Do you deny that Hamas took a large percentage of the aid they were sent and used to build rockets and dig tunnels instead of actually improving them the lives of the Gazans? Whose fault would that be?
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Do you think those projects had a noticeable affect on Gaza's economy? More than Israel's blockade, destruction of their airport, etc?
I don't know what percentage of the aid they got was used that way, do you? Diverting the funds is on hamas though. That said, why should they not have defensive capabilities? Weren't the first tunnels in Gaza dug by the Israelis?
 
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hog88 said:
There are over 2 million Arab/Palestinian citizens of Israel living peacefully with the same rights as Jewish citizens.
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I don't think that is entirely true. Surveys of Palestinian-Israeli citizens shows a high degree of dissatisfaction with expression of rights. Legally, those righs exist but in practice there is a disparity (according to the Pal-Is citizens).
 
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McDad said:
Exactly. The Palestinians inside Israel are peaceful. The violent Pales outside bring the heat on themselves.

If they were peaceful, would they not be have the same opportunity as Pales in Israel? Even with the issues the Pales experience inside Israel.
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Maybe you should wait for acid to wear off before posting more.
 
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Seems like a good sign. Like I said before, IDK why Hamas would completely trust the deal*, but I don't think they have much of a choice.

www.timesofisrael.com

Sept. 29: Palestinian Authority welcomes Trump’s ‘sincere and determined efforts’ to end Gaza war

Islamic Jihad says Trump’s Gaza plan ‘a formula for igniting the region’ * Netanyahu: If Hamas rejects it, Israel will 'finish the job'; says no role for Hamas or PA in post-war Gaza
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com

*Israel has a habit of pre-emptive strikes (weird that they call it "pre-emptive" in their propaganda if a blockade already started the war), breaking ceasefires, and also blaming Hamas and terrorists for stuff they didn't do. Also, all it takes is one renegade, unaffiliated terrorist act to give Israel an excuse go back on it.
 
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hog88 said:
When do the people of Gaza bear some responsibility for their own situation or do we continue in perpetuity to excuse their failure to form a peaceful government? Children don't get to govern themselves and yet people want to continue to treat them like helpless children.
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Do you blame all Americans for our bad options here, or is it fair to recognize that money and funding have created our ****** two-option system?

There are multiple elements at fault here. Boiling it down to "bad Gaza people" is pants-on-head retarded, especially given 1) how Israel was founded, 2) what Israel is doing in the West Bank (which doesn't have Gazans and which people with one-track minds I guess just forget exists), and 3) exactly how Netanyahu admits spending tens of millions to install a government that opens the door for him to use hostility.

Put on the big boy pants and turn on your brain.
 
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McDad said:
I don't think that is entirely true. Surveys of Palestinian-Israeli citizens shows a high degree of dissatisfaction with expression of rights. Legally, those righs exist but in practice there is a disparity (according to the Pal-Is citizens).
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That may be the case but are any of them renouncing their citizenship and moving to Gaza or the west bank?
 
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hog88 said:
Of course Israel controls all of that stuff because the people of Gaza have not been able to do so. Just imagine what weaponry would be imported had Israel not had control, again children cannot govern themselves. They have to show that they are responsible enough to make decisions. You treat Gazites as children, they will continue to act like children.
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Yes, of course, that's very thoughtful of the Israelis. Tying an arm and a leg behind their back and putting a sack over their head is for their own good. Pity they can't do well in the triple jump all tied up like that.
 
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hog88 said:
That may be the case but are any of them renouncing their citizenship and moving to Gaza or the west bank?
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Of course not. Living in a functional government administrated by people who "want to genocide them" is far superior to living in squalor under terrorist "friends".
 
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ButchPlz said:
Do you blame all Americans for our bad options here, or is it fair to recognize that money and funding have created our ****** two-option system?

There are multiple elements at fault here. Boiling it down to "bad Gaza people" is pants-on-head retarded, especially given 1) how Israel was founded, 2) what Israel is doing in the West Bank (which doesn't have Gazans and which people with one-track minds I guess just forget exists), and 3) exactly how Netanyahu admits spending tens of millions to install a government that opens the door for him to use hostility.

Put on the big boy pants and turn on your brain.
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I'm wearing my big boy pants, that's why I don't make excuses for a people who never have had the intention of living peacefully with their neighbor. It's time you open your eyes to the facts.
 
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hog88 said:
I'm wearing my big boy pants, that's why I don't make excuses for a people who never have had the intention of living peacefully with their neighbor. It's time you open your eyes to the facts.
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This is hilariously ironic- never read a history book?

Hell, I'll even cut you some slack- ever listened to a podcast or an audiobook about the history of the region?

Survey says- NO.
 
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EasternVol said:
Yes, of course, that's very thoughtful of the Israelis. Tying an arm and a leg behind their back and putting a sack over their head is for their own good. Pity they can't do well in the triple jump all tied up like that.
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LOL

The Gazastonians have to show some desire to live in peace and ability to self govern before the keys can be turned over. Keep making excuses.
 
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