Israel vs Palestinians II

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n_huffhines said:
It pretty much says it all that the priority for one side is dying, starving, mutilated children, and the other side is freaking out about Jewish-Americans who are off the Zionist "plantation," to borrow a buzzword from the right.
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hog88 said:
Still defending keeping innocent people hostage, disgusting.

THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR TAKING/KEEPING HOSTAGES. Fight the war if you must but keeping hostages justifies whatever happens to you and your people.
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And I’m the one accused of being “emotional”? I’m addressing the logic of the claim, not the morality of hostage-taking. Spare me the straw man, questioning a simplistic cause-and-effect isn’t the same as endorsing the act.
 
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MAD said:
Hamas started this war, butchering about 1,200 Israelis and taking hundreds of hostage.



They still hold 50 in tunnels and cages.



Israel sent 1.5 billion meals into Gaza, enough for 2 million people for more than two years. Think about that.



Hamas steals 90 percent of aid, selling it in order to fund terror.

In fact, Hamas made over half a billion dollars last year from manipulating the aid system.



UN agencies like UNRWA are infiltrated by Hamas. They are Hamas, and they help spread its lies.



It is not a famine. It's a terror economy.



Israel is the only nation on the earth expected to feed, supply, and power the very people who want them dead, the ones who were raised on Main Kampf instead of nursery rhymes.





Israel, is held to a standard that no other country would tolerate. In a war, Israel didn't start. Against an enemy that glorifies actual genocide, indoctrinates children to hate, and uses civilians as shields.



And somehow, Israel is the one accused of blood libels and war crimes. You know the hypocrisy?
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There’s nothing to suggest they’ve sent close to 1.5 billion. 1.5B also doesn’t even feed 2 million for over 2 years.

So bcuz Hamas is bad means Israel is justified in war crimes? Complaining about hypocrisy while saying there’s no innocents in Gaza and excusing every atrocity Israel commits is comical
 
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How can the world be so blind as to support literal terrorists??? Hamas doesn't even hide it!

Inverting every Jewish tragedy against the Jews. If Jews are taken hostage then every security detainee must also be a hostage.


Let's change the definitions of all words.

Security prisoner = hostage
Israeli hostage = guests
War = genocide
Zionist = Nazi
Jew = White European Colonizer
Israel = Axis of evil
Invasion = freedom
Suicide bombers = martyrs
Terrorist supporter = anti war activists
Murdering Israelis = Resistance
 
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Smokey123 said:
There’s nothing to suggest they’ve sent close to 1.5 billion. 1.5B also doesn’t even feed 2 million for over 2 years.

So bcuz Hamas is bad means Israel is justified in war crimes? Complaining about hypocrisy while saying there’s no innocents in Gaza and excusing every atrocity Israel commits is comical
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August 8 2025

Ambassador Huckabee’s Interview with CBS News​


Ambassador Huckabee

No, I’m not saying there’s no starvation. I’m saying the starvation is the result of Hamas blocking the fact that there have been millions of tons food, over 2 million tons of food, that have gone into Gaza enough to feed the entire population for quite some time.

Ambassador Huckabee

I’m just telling you, Israel has allowed over 2 million tons of food. And you know, it’s a question I’d love to ask some of the people who are so critical of Israel, how many countries who are in the middle of a war are expected to feed the enemies who murder their people? When does that happen in human history? Can someone tell me, I’ve not heard anyone be able to answer that question. Tell me, was it the Brits responsibility that these the Germans, as they were bombing Dresden? Did that happen? They were dropping bombs, not food? When the Americans were bombing Japan, were we dropping food or bombs? So when in history, in all of history, has the country who has been attacked viciously, brutally, unexpectedly, when is that the country that is expected to feed the country that started the war and killed their people?

Based on commonly accepted estimations:
  • There are 2,000 pounds in a US short ton.
  • An average meal is approximately 1.2 pounds of food.
Therefore, to convert 2,000,000 tons of food into meals, we can follow these steps:
  1. Convert tons to pounds:2,000,000 tons * 2,000 pounds/ton = 4,000,000,000 pounds.
  2. Calculate the number of meals:4,000,000,000 pounds / 1.2 pounds/meal ≈ 3,333,333,333 meals.
So, 2,000,000 tons of food is approximately equivalent to 3.33 billion meals.
 
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McDad said:
Ok.
Let me try to understand two things which are thrown around here as contradictory.

IDF blocks and restricts some portion of food and other aid allowed into Gaza. Yes or no?

Hamas steals some portion of aid and food that actually makes it into Gaza. Yes or no?
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IDF blocks and restricts some portion of food and other aid allowed into Gaza. No
Hamas steals some portion of aid and food that actually makes it into Gaza. Yes

Excellent article, I’d recommend reading.

www.ajc.org

Humanitarian Aid in Gaza: What’s Really Happening

Discover how humanitarian aid is being delivered in Gaza amid the ongoing Israel-Hamas war, including the U.S.-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation’s efforts to bypass Hamas control. Learn how Hamas has exploited aid for terror while spreading misinformation about Israeli actions near...
www.ajc.org www.ajc.org






Just today.
 
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MAD said:
August 8 2025

Ambassador Huckabee’s Interview with CBS News​


Ambassador Huckabee

No, I’m not saying there’s no starvation. I’m saying the starvation is the result of Hamas blocking the fact that there have been millions of tons food, over 2 million tons of food, that have gone into Gaza enough to feed the entire population for quite some time.

Ambassador Huckabee

I’m just telling you, Israel has allowed over 2 million tons of food. And you know, it’s a question I’d love to ask some of the people who are so critical of Israel, how many countries who are in the middle of a war are expected to feed the enemies who murder their people? When does that happen in human history? Can someone tell me, I’ve not heard anyone be able to answer that question. Tell me, was it the Brits responsibility that these the Germans, as they were bombing Dresden? Did that happen? They were dropping bombs, not food? When the Americans were bombing Japan, were we dropping food or bombs? So when in history, in all of history, has the country who has been attacked viciously, brutally, unexpectedly, when is that the country that is expected to feed the country that started the war and killed their people?

Based on commonly accepted estimations:
  • There are 2,000 pounds in a US short ton.
  • An average meal is approximately 1.2 pounds of food.
Therefore, to convert 2,000,000 tons of food into meals, we can follow these steps:
  1. Convert tons to pounds:2,000,000 tons * 2,000 pounds/ton = 4,000,000,000 pounds.
  2. Calculate the number of meals:4,000,000,000 pounds / 1.2 pounds/meal ≈ 3,333,333,333 meals.
So, 2,000,000 tons of food is approximately equivalent to 3.33 billion meals.
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1 there’s a big difference between “Israel sent” and allowing it go through. That’s a word switch
2 There’s nothing to suggest there’s been 2 tons worth of food delivered especially from israel. Huckabee may have misspoke and meant aid
 
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MAD said:
IDF blocks and restricts some portion of food and other aid allowed into Gaza. No
Hamas steals some portion of aid and food that actually makes it into Gaza. Yes

Excellent article, I’d recommend reading.

www.ajc.org

Humanitarian Aid in Gaza: What’s Really Happening

Discover how humanitarian aid is being delivered in Gaza amid the ongoing Israel-Hamas war, including the U.S.-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation’s efforts to bypass Hamas control. Learn how Hamas has exploited aid for terror while spreading misinformation about Israeli actions near...
www.ajc.org www.ajc.org






Just today.
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Do either those resources affirm or explicitly state the IDF doesn't restrict or prohibit?

Looks like those were just discussing the stuff that gets in.
 
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McDad said:
Ok.
Let me try to understand two things which are thrown around here as contradictory.

IDF blocks and restricts some portion of food and other aid allowed into Gaza. Yes or no?

Hamas steals some portion of aid and food that actually makes it into Gaza. Yes or no?
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Israel has blocked aid during certain periods of the war currently they are not

Yes
 
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McDad said:
Any idea about the Hamas question?
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The yes was in reference to Hamas. I’ve posted articles and tweets in the old thread with proof I can get them again if u need it

Anyone who answers no to your first question is severely misinformed.
www.theguardian.com

No plans to allow any aid into Gaza, says Israeli minister

Israel Katz says blocking aid is ‘one of the main pressure levers’ on Hamas while military announces it has turned 30% of Gaza into buffer zone
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
The Israeli defence minister, Israel Katz, said: “Israel’s policy is clear: no humanitarian aid will enter Gaza, and blocking this aid is one of the main pressure levers preventing Hamas from using it as a tool with the population.”

“No one is currently planning to allow any humanitarian aid into Gaza, and there are no preparations to enable such aid,” said Katz, who vowed to escalate the conflict with “tremendous force” if Hamas did not return the hostages.
 
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Smokey123 said:
The yes was in reference to Hamas. I’ve posted articles and tweets in the old thread with proof I can get them again if u need it

Anyone who answers no to your first question is severely misinformed.
www.theguardian.com

No plans to allow any aid into Gaza, says Israeli minister

Israel Katz says blocking aid is ‘one of the main pressure levers’ on Hamas while military announces it has turned 30% of Gaza into buffer zone
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
The Israeli defence minister, Israel Katz, said: “Israel’s policy is clear: no humanitarian aid will enter Gaza, and blocking this aid is one of the main pressure levers preventing Hamas from using it as a tool with the population.”

“No one is currently planning to allow any humanitarian aid into Gaza, and there are no preparations to enable such aid,” said Katz, who vowed to escalate the conflict with “tremendous force” if Hamas did not return the hostages.
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Oh. My fault. Your answers summarized are:
IDF = yes, sometimes.
Hamas = yes.

No modifier on the Hamas "yes"?
 
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