Israel vs Palestinians

[McDad]

Gaza is Hamas, PA/PLO has greater authority in the West Bank.

Never knew that. Are there any other groups who act on behalf of Palestinians in the region?

 

[Smokey123]

We also want nothing to do with Gaza. In my opinion we floated the idea of developing Gaza to encourage neighbors to act.

I could see this. Right after Trump said that is when Egypt came up with their proposal

 

[McDad]

We also want nothing to do with Gaza. In my opinion we floated the idea of developing Gaza to encourage neighbors to act.

"We" = America ?

 

[KB5252]

Never knew that. Are there any other groups who act on behalf of Palestinians in the region?

Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsam they are purely military/paramilitary

 

[KB5252]

"We" = America ?

Correct, we want nothing to do with that for obvious reasons.

 

[McDad]

Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsam they are purely military/paramilitary

Do you know if those groups are united with hamas, and pa / plo?

Do those groups fight each other for total control?

Do they want similar things?

 

[EasternVol]

Ah yes the armed gangs in Gaza are not Hamas. Very logical

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Wasn't Israel supporting some gang recently against hamas?

 

[KB5252]

I believe Fatah aka PLO is also responsible for helping get support for this public statement against Hamas. They are rivals and Fatah has better relationships with Israels neighbors.

I expect Israeli leadership to swing in much less hard-line direction soon. Once there is a framework for peace Netanyahu will be forced out IMO.

 

[EasternVol]

Then the palestinians are quite possibly the stupidest group of humans who have ever existed since the dawn of civilization.

They have no money. They have no resources. They have no viable army. They have no international support. They have no self determination. They have no control. They are not welcomed by any bordering nation.

They exist at the discretion of Israel. As long as the only natural resource they generate is hate, they are truly hopeless.

Your passion is yours to choose. But that doesn't mean your passion project isn't a waste of time.

Are you sure they have no money or international support? People here whine constantly about the funds going to the Palestinians and many nations have recognized Palestine. Rightfully they have resources but they've been usurped by Israel.

 

[MAD]

I don't understand judging Palestinians as an amorphous group and calling them "the stupidest people ever" when they are all victims and only some of them are doing the stupid things. We have terrorists in places where there is far less oppression, why we would expect ALL Palestinians to somehow accept their oppression without violent response? That isn't realistic at all, so maybe you should incorporate that thought into your "how it really is" assessment.

I'm arguing for humanity in here, which I don't think is a waste of time.

Not sure what you're doing here.

This is so deep coming from you. I don’t recall any of us generalizing all Palestinians, we understand Hamas’ intentions and we blame them. Yes some might be complicit.

But you don’t differentiate, it’s always all Zionists.


Examples

We got people who will argue until they're blue in the face that saying "Mexicans...are rapists" is not technically racist but opposing Israel's government and Zionists makes you a white supremacist.

It's God's people doing it, so it doesn't count, of course.

Do Zionists skip the parts of the Bible that call out the wickedness of the children of Israel? At what point did Christian Zionists start believing they get to do whatever they want?...because the that's not how the scriptures treat them.

Zionists are out of their minds

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FWIW

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Interesting to see some of the most orthodox are not Zionists because they think the Messiah is the one who will establish the Jewish state....which is probably a better way to do it than a "not very good at genocide" genocidal government.

Goes along with my point that God doesn't need our help fulfilling prophesies from the book of Revelation.

It's over for the Zionists. Hide yourselves in shame. Everybody knows now

The Zionists wouldn't go in that thread

Just a reminder that this is what American Zionists thought they were rooting for and then immediately pivoted when they found out Israel's goal was ethnic cleansing.

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The Zionists have now lost K-12

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Who was the guy the other day that thought he had a gotcha moment because Israel was "ethnically cleansing" Israelis by removing them from Gaza? He's comparing the peaceful removal of 8,000 people where the families were awarded compensation packages worth hundreds of thousands of dollars to a genocide of over 80k deaths....

Nobody ever accused Zionists of being reasonable.

He didn't write the movie about Israel. He finished writing his first draft in April 2023. Zionists think the movie is about Israel.

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The truth of what's actually happening is that the UN is unable to arrange "police" escorts within Gaza. If they transport the food themselves, they get attacked/raided/looted by desperate, starving civilians. So they've asked for what is essentially a Hamas escort, which has resulted in attacks on the convoys by Israel.

All of this chaos is the result of ethnic cleansing efforts by the Israeli state, mind you.

Zionists are kind of in a win/win here with this slick propaganda. Either they're setting up a trap for Hamas, or if the trap doesn't work, they get to pretend like they are benevolent and the UN is the problem.

Just do a little research when you read something weird, like the implication the UN isn't actually interested in helping.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-envoy-idf-killed-palestinian-cops-escorting-gaza-aid-convoy-leading-them-to-refuse-missions/

 

[KB5252]

Do you know if those groups are united with hamas, and pa / plo?

Do those groups fight each other for total control?

Do they want similar things?

Similar goals but they are rivals.

PLO and Hamas share some animosity.

IJ and Hamas frequently work together but they have some differences among them. But no real animosity.

 

[EasternVol]

My most objective reply is the world at large makes no distinction between the PA, PLO, Hamas, or any other group acting on behalf of palestinians.

The world does not see them as peaceful and passive. The world sees them as holding hostages. Parading dead opponents through their streets.

That's not the view of the world at large.

 

[EasternVol]

While providing payments to families of suicide bombers and other violent terrorists.

Peaceful payments

When was the most recent suicide bombing?

 

[KB5252]

This is so deep coming from you. I don’t recall any of us generalizing all Palestinians, we understand Hamas’ intentions and we blame them. Yes some might be complicit.

But you don’t differentiate, it’s always all Zionists.


Examples

I think you just ripped a hole in the multi quote continuum.

 

[Smokey123]

Wasn't Israel supporting some gang recently against hamas?

I missed that report. Wouldn’t surprise me. That’s how we got Hamas

 

[MAD]

 

[McDad]

Are you sure they have no money or international support? People here whine constantly about the funds going to the Palestinians and many nations have recognized Palestine. Rightfully they have resources but they've been usurped by Israel.

No. Not sure about their supply of money. The have some because they use it (some of it) on weapons.
They might as well have none in application...to say another way, they don't have enough to fight Israel on even footing.

What resources do they have?

 

[PEPPERJAX]

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HEY!
You forgot Huff and Nash.

 

[KB5252]

Wasn't Israel supporting some gang recently against hamas?

The popular forces, was led by a guy named Shabob iirc.

 

[McDad]

This is so deep coming from you. I don’t recall any of us generalizing all Palestinians, we understand Hamas’ intentions and we blame them. Yes some might be complicit.

But you don’t differentiate, it’s always all Zionists.


Examples

Since I was called.out specifically, I will clarify. If you're a Palestinian and you don't appeal to live in Israel or anywhere where peace and prosperity are in supply, you're stupid.
If you can't get out of Gaza and you're not opposing Hamas, you're stupid.

 

[EasternVol]

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Are you sure?

 

[EasternVol]

No. Not sure about their supply of money. The have some because they use it (some of it) on weapons.
They might as well have none in application...to say another way, they don't have enough to fight Israel on even footing.

What resources do they have?

Gas in the Med, which Israel is tapping. And marine fisheries, but they get shot if they try to fish them.

 

[McDad]

Gas in the Med, which Israel is tapping.

Natural gas?

 

[EasternVol]

Natural gas?

Yes. I edited to add fisheries.

 

[McDad]

Yes. I edited to add fisheries.

I was unaware of the NG fields. To me, though, they don't have the ability to retrieve it. So they have the reaource but it isn't viable to benefit the people (electricity, fuel for cars, war machines, etc).
Look like they've licensed it to British Gas in partnership with Egypt.

Agricultural resources are not the type of resources I was referencing.