Thanks Dont'e I’m sure this will help recruiting

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B81 said:
Would you all say kirby and uga run nfl routes? If so how many of their wide receivers have gone to the pros and had stellar careers? Looking back at recruiting rankings, they have had higher ranked wr’s, and other than Pickens, i cant name one. Plus he hasn’t exactly torn up the league.


Basically I think CJH has increased our players draft stock because of their production. Heck would anyone have expected Hyatt or Tilman to get drafted at all if Pruitt coached them all 4 years?
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Pruitt DID have Hendon Hooker coming, so who knows what connection would've developed even in Pruitt's offense.

A lot of credit goes to Coach Heupel for having a scheme that let the players break out but they also had timing and chemistry that might have developed in other offensive strategies.

Some of it is Heupel but those guys put in a lot of work together which helped each other's draft stock.
 
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EverythingOrange said:
What? You mean Heupel's offense which has increased Tennessee's relevance EVERY year since he has coached here????

2021: 7-6 Lost Music City bowl to Purdue (controversial loss, too!).
2022: 11-2 Won the Orange bowl handily against Clemson.
2023: 9-4 Won the Citrus bowl, putting on a fairly good offensive display against Iowa (who was supposed to have a "mighty defense").
2024: 10-3 First appearance in the College Football Playoff & Lost to eventual National Champion Ohio State.

-- How soon we forget the journeys through the wilderness under Derek (First-Half ONLY) Dooley; Jim (interim coach) Chaney; Butch (Champions of Life) Jones; Brady (interim - "I'd rather be in the Big 10") Hoke; And Jeremy (Corn-Bread --& McDonald's bags on the side) Pruitt.

Everybody is welcome to "critique" whatever or whoever they wish. But, right now, I'm riding THIS horse until it shows me something very disappointingly different!!!

Share THAT with the recruits!
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This year can be significant. If our offense excels it can be used to point out Nico was just not meeting ratings based expectations. BUT if UCLA blows up and we don’t it will not play well. ONLY TIME WILL TELL. Prognostications are worthless drivel, by anyone.

I simply did not have a good feeling Nico was going to get it done, just from his output. Did not see teammates confident in his abilities, just politically correct thoughts expressed.
 
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scores4fun said:
Maybe I am not fully educated on this, but how difficult is it to learn to run routes? I mean all routes are based off the same route tree, right?
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It's the same principle as how hard is it for the OL not to grab the jersey and hold when blocking. It sounds easy to say. But in reality running elite routes is both an art and a science. There's a reason why we didn't have many open receivers last year. Where that problem exists is up for debate. Have at it.
 
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scores4fun said:
Maybe I am not fully educated on this, but how difficult is it to learn to run routes? I mean all routes are based off the same route tree, right?
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I think it's a reflection of what's been "coached up" to a player. One of the reasons Rodney Garner is the best is because he teaches techniques and discipline that's useful at the next level.

If you're not running routes that emphasize subtle feints and moves to get a little edge on a defender but instead are drilling "hit your spot if the D does this" and depending more on the scheme to get you open, you are less valuable at the next level.

They don't want to know what the coach's scheme can do to enhance a route; they want to know what YOU can do to enhance a route.
 
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Behr said:
See, this is a perfect example. You have no clue as to what I'm talking about and look stupid with your replay.

According to some of you that's exactly what it seems the coaches are doing because they're sure not improving.

Nico, receivers and oline wasn't great but we won more games in 24 than 23, went to the playoffs, beat Florida and Bama. But everyone has figured out Heupel's gimmick offense and if he doesn't figure something out he's going to be fired.

Yes it's a message board and you can say whatever you'd like as long as it's in Freaks guidelines. So can I.

Funny no one gave a crap about what I said but you.
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Heupel is perfect, the offense is infallible and any fan that expresses criticism or doubt is a troll that hates the Vols and wants them to fail at everything.

See, I can straw man too!
 
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GAVol said:
He’s not wrong and he’s not being critical. Our offense consists of a lot of simple routes and reads due to our tempo. We’re not running a bunch of mesh concepts out there. It just is what it is.
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That's true of the last two seasons, but it wasn't the case in 2022. It seems like Heupel simply didn't trust Milton or Iamaleava to run a more diverse scheme.
 
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Behr said:
See, this is a perfect example. You have no clue as to what I'm talking about and look stupid with your replay.

According to some of you that's exactly what it seems the coaches are doing because they're sure not improving.

Nico, receivers and oline wasn't great but we won more games in 24 than 23, went to the playoffs, beat Florida and Bama. But everyone has figured out Heupel's gimmick offense and if he doesn't figure something out he's going to be fired.

Yes it's a message board and you can say whatever you'd like as long as it's in Freaks guidelines. So can I.

Funny no one gave a crap about what I said but you.
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Nah I’m with the other guy. The “well y ain’t u da coach if ur so smart?” Schtick is one of the lamest things you’ll see on one of these types of forums and also shows a severe lack of intelligence.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That's true of the last two seasons, but it wasn't the case in 2022. It seems like Heupel simply didn't trust Milton or Iamaleava to run a more diverse scheme.
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That’s the hope, but then the questions become is he too cautious to his team and QB’s detriment, and was Golesh they guy who made things work?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Edges and blitz strategies caught up.
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That may be true, but who has run that offense with a quality QB since the Oilers? The Oilers offense didn't become unsuccessful because of edges and blitz strategies. They lost Moon and had a replacement that wasn't a good NFL QB, had a bad year, then changed offensive strategies. I saw absolutely no evidence that the defenses caught up. Maybe some other NFL teams ran that offense, but I don't recall any who did.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Nah I’m with the other guy. The “well y ain’t u da coach if ur so smart?” Schtick is one of the lamest things you’ll see on one of these types of forums and also shows a severe lack of intelligence.
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I didn't say anything about that. You're both so smart but have no clue what I was talking about.

Carry on with your idiocy.
 
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Clad in Big Orange said:
Heupel is perfect, the offense is infallible and any fan that expresses criticism or doubt is a troll that hates the Vols and wants them to fail at everything.

See, I can straw man too!
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Where did I say that?


Lol. You both deserve each other.
 
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Clad in Big Orange said:
The WR position has had a lot of turnover. What’s causing that? Lack of 5-stars - why is that? I hope that group stabilizes and flourishes rather than what we’ve had the past 3 seasons.
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Because we didn't have any 5 stars to begin with and other teams are loaded with them so it makes them look like they're better at developing WRs. So then more talent goes there. Cycle continues. Same reason DBs still go to LSU because it's "DBU" even though Brian Kelly doesn't have a track record with DBs.
 
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LAVol1 said:
That may be true, but who has run that offense with a quality QB since the Oilers? The Oilers offense didn't become unsuccessful because of edges and blitz strategies. They lost Moon and had a replacement that wasn't a good NFL QB, had a bad year, then changed offensive strategies. I saw absolutely no evidence that the defenses caught up. Maybe some other NFL teams ran that offense, but I don't recall any who did.
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Lamar is one who could run it but they don't really. I'm pretty sure the defense is too quick now. Left O Tackle is a very hard place to play now and Right O Tackle isn't far behind. This is why getting rid of the ball quickly is so important in the NFL now.

This is why making quick decisions is critical in Heupel's offense, especially if our O Line is iffy. Even in college, elite teams have elite pass rushers and hitting that correct pre snap read then getting the ball out or getting your own yards isn't an easy task for a QB.
 
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Behr said:
I didn't say anything about that. You're both so smart but have no clue what I was talking about.

Carry on with your idiocy.
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Your comments are coming from the same place. Any sort of discussion or critique is “stupid” to you because of the same reasons that those people I mentioned find it stupid.

Heupel has done a good job. He is a good coach. However, if the goal is being elite, there is plenty left to prove on his end and plenty available to question for fans.
 
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ochocinco said:
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say there are zero recruits that care at all about what he says
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Well you have to remember that some people here and on other forums believe 16 and 17 year old kids with full school, athletic, and social schedules are spending their time reading internet message boards and not choosing their favorite team because other fans say mean things about their own team. In comparison, Thornton’s comments seem almost relevant.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Your comments are coming from the same place. Any sort of discussion or critique is “stupid” to you because of the same reasons that those people I mentioned find it stupid.

Heupel has done a good job. He is a good coach. However, if the goal is being elite, there is plenty left to prove on his end and plenty available to question for fans.
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No my comments are not. It never occurs to you guys that saturate this forum with negativity that I don't necessarily disagree with you all the time , I just get tired of seeing you say the same thing over and over in every thread every day.

And my comment yesterday was based strictly on an argument in some thread about whether Day was a better coach than Heupel at this point. For that argument to have gone on period and for as long as it did ....I just hope it was trolling on both sides.

I'm not always laughing at guys like you and Clad. But it's more fun to make fun of the guys like you because you're always so serious. You act like you're the only ones that notice all the bad. Pretty sure everyone sees most of the crap you think you're the only one that sees, but some don't say anything and the others are just like you except they want to talk about the good that they don't think you see because you never talk about it. It's laughable.

The extremes of both sides are laughable and at times seems like a troll fight.

The guys like you think I am hardly ever question my sarcasm towards them because they don't care and/or they get it and either way they just like to have fun. You guys are different.

Anyway, blah blah blah. VOLS BY FIDDY!!!

Lol, Clad actually thought that everyone that said that really thought we would win by 50 points. And you both are trying to tell me you know know me? Lol. Gtfo.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
You think that’s the sort of thing that you can tell without showing? I don’t. The route thing is a common, well established question NFL people have about Heupel receivers that predates Thornton even coming here. Now, if you want to argue that those questions only exist because Donte Thornton struggled in interviews, I guess you can, but you aren’t coming off too sharp by doing so.
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Yes — and if you're struggling to see what I think, it's because you're not listening. I'm telling you directly: you're off topic again.

You can absolutely articulate how the things you learn in the Air Raid translate to a Pro Style or NFL system — in terms of schemes, concepts, routes, timing, and adjustments — without physically running Air Raid routes if you're prepared. He struggled with that.

I am on topic, and I don't plan to go down the rabbit hole of "he couldn't run routes during an interview." They run routes in team workouts, not interviews. We're talking about the ability to communicate using words — not about running routes against air.

It's a dull man's game to keep shifting the subject and trying to frame my future responses.

And the fact that it even crossed your mind that Dont’e — and for the record, no one named Donte was drafted or played for Tennessee — only got questions because he struggled to answer them at all is wild.
 
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