Thanks Dont'e I’m sure this will help recruiting

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TheDeeble said:
Hyatt benefitted possibly more than anyone else from busted coverage due to confusion. Our up-tempo offense (when we could still run that) got a lot of d-backs confused about who should cover who. On a lot of his yards and touchdowns the nearest guys was 5-10 yards away. I'm not saying he wasn't a good college receiver but it helped inflate his numbers. But when he only ran a 4.4 40, I figured he'd struggle in the NFL. Not tall. Not physical. Not an especially good route runner. Average hands. His speed was his selling point, but it wasn't special when it comes to the NFL.
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Plus he didn't get overthrown over and over
 
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Visidog said:
More than just individual routes, I bet DT was talking about route combinations. At a most basic level, you can’t run crossing routes when the WRs start a full field width apart, and there is a whole world of ways to time and adjust those routes. Because you’re not attacking 10-15 yards deep over the middle, WRs are spending less time learning to read a zone and sit in the hole. Route interactions, beyond switch/scissor routes on the same side, are less of a factor in Tennessee’s offense. Instead, the offense is designed to simplify reads to make defenses pick between defending the run with too few players or playing high-risk defense against deep passes.

None of these things are necessarily a big deal. No CFB offense is as complex as the worst NFL offense, and no WR shows up knowing what to do. NFL guys are drafting on physical traits most of the time. Any player with NFL ambitions should be spending time learning the game on his own, whether he plays in Knoxville or Athens or Columbus. College coaches are playing to win, not develop. They’ll only develop as much as needed to win.
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This man gets it. Heupel's offense succeeds not just on receiver routes but largely on scheming to create holes. Our WRs may be very good route guys but there's no way to know it from the offense Heupel runs.

Short routes to a spot or full on go routes don't show the WRs skill as much as routes where a receiver needs to make moves and help his QB more.

In the NFL you're not going out scheme the defense for very long so they look for guys who can use their moves and athleticism against the best defensive coverage to get open.

The interviewer asked Thornton about what has been said, "There's not a lot of film from UT of you running NFL style routes." Folks here are pissed because that's true and Thornton couldn't say "Yes there is. You missed it."

What the hell did you want him to say to a direct question that the film isn't there of NFL style routes he ran at UT? Film doesn't lie. He pointed to Oregon where we least he had some NFL style routes to run.
 
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tone357 said:
You're right about receivers running wide open, but they don't get the ball. Heupel teaches his QBs to wait for the primary receiver to choose which way he will go based on coverage. While he's waiting, instead of the QB going through a progression, he never sees the 2nd or 3rd receiver wide open. His system hinders QBs as well.
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LOL, freaking hilarious..........
 
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B81 said:
Maybe it is time for the NFL offensive coordinators to take a few things from CJH! The nfl has always taken from the innovators of the game which historically resided in college.
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Didn't the Houston Oilers run a version of this offense in the early '90s with Warren Moon at QB and Kevin Gilbride as OC? They were 11-5 in '91, 10-6 in '92 and 12-4 in '93, losing in the playoffs by 2, 3 and 8 pts. So, with the right QB, this offense does work in the NFL.
 
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LAVol1 said:
Didn't the Houston Oilers run a version of this offense in the early '90s with Warren Moon at QB and Kevin Gilbride as OC? They were 11-5 in '91, 10-6 in '92 and 12-4 in '93, losing in the playoffs by 2, 3 and 8 pts. So, with the right QB, this offense does work in the NFL.
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Edges and blitz strategies caught up. You don't have enough linemen to keep your QB safe. When the Vols play extremely tough defenses, we struggle. Citing that "it worked 30+ years ago so it can work today" isn't really true in many sports.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
If you truly think our offense was one of the best 15 offenses in the country, I have some oceanfront property in Vonore to sell you. We ran up some numbers by onside kicking against Kent State and calling late timeouts against UTEP and the like, but in SEC play, our offense was middling at best. Against OSU, our offense was nonexistent.
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Stats are not your friend, against sec teams we averaged 397 yards per game. That ranks us 6th in the conference. Texas was second at 416, that is only 19 yards per game difference. But Sark is a genius and Heup is a simpleton. Ole miss lead the conference at 446, a difference of less than 50 yards.

Heup did all of this with a first year starting qb, while tx and ole miss had 5th yr seniors.
 
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B81 said:
Stats are not your friend, against sec teams we averaged 397 yards per game. That ranks us 6th in the conference. Texas was second at 416, that is only 19 yards per game difference. But Sark is a genius and Heup is a simpleton. Ole miss lead the conference at 446, a difference of less than 50 yards.

Heup did all of this with a first year starting qb, while tx and ole miss had 5th yr seniors.
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Did Sark or Kiffin go a full month without scoring a point in the first half? We were 9th in scoring in conference games and 11th in passing in conference games with the easiest schedule in the conference.

If you truly believe that offense was good, you don’t know wtf you are talking about. Now, I think the lion’s share of the blame is in Pasadena now, but that was not a good offense.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Probably a moot point since the league has this offense solved and Heupel really hasn't been able to counter what the defenses are doing.

Can't hang his hat on 12 personnel forever. Sooner or later Heupel will make a fundamental change in philosophy and hire a real OC or he will get fired.
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Your negativity often irks me, but I think you’re spot on here. Heupel is known as an offensive mind, but I think he can be an even better head coach, in terms of all the other things head coaches have to do. I hope he doesn’t let his offensive philosophy determine his ceiling.
 
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Would you all say kirby and uga run nfl routes? If so how many of their wide receivers have gone to the pros and had stellar careers? Looking back at recruiting rankings, they have had higher ranked wr’s, and other than Pickens, i cant name one. Plus he hasn’t exactly torn up the league.


Basically I think CJH has increased our players draft stock because of their production. Heck would anyone have expected Hyatt or Tilman to get drafted at all if Pruitt coached them all 4 years?
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
You can’t prove you can run routes in an interview. The interview is not why people may have questions about his route running.
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My bad dude, I thought the subject was that struggled he in interviews "EXPLAINING" how it would translate, not that they wouldn't let him go outside to run routes in the yard to run air routes while they watched. 🙄
 
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DT hurt his chances by having bricks for hands his first 5-6 games here, and then be being unavailable for half of his remaining games. The fact that he got drafted at all is a small miracle and due entirely to his speed and size.
 
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FYI, Oregon runs a similar to us. They are consistently getting their receivers drafted pretty high. So I don't buy this theory at all.

Get a QB to run the offense effectively and the receivers will ball out as long as they can catch the ball and stay healthy (2 things DT struggled with in his time at Tennessee).
 
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Vol865 said:
He's done more with less at WR the whole time he's been here. The only elite WR has been Hyatt. Not like we're lining up with 5 stars everywhere.
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The WR position has had a lot of turnover. What’s causing that? Lack of 5-stars - why is that? I hope that group stabilizes and flourishes rather than what we’ve had the past 3 seasons.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Yep. Hyatt got drafted because he thrived in Heupel's offense. Hyatt hasn't adapted well in the NFL because he's had trouble learning the complex nuances of route adjustment in a NFL offense
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Hyatt also hasn't had a real good qb for the Giants either. A little of both I feel.
 
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B81 said:
Would you all say kirby and uga run nfl routes? If so how many of their wide receivers have gone to the pros and had stellar careers? Looking back at recruiting rankings, they have had higher ranked wr’s, and other than Pickens, i cant name one. Plus he hasn’t exactly torn up the league.


Basically I think CJH has increased our players draft stock because of their production. Heck would anyone have expected Hyatt or Tilman to get drafted at all if Pruitt coached them all 4 years?
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Ladd McConkey had a great rookie year. Not good enough for Pruitt tho
 
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fossilfiction said:
My bad dude, I thought the subject was that struggled he in interviews "EXPLAINING" how it would translate, not that they wouldn't let him go outside to run routes in the yard to run air routes while they watched. 🙄
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You think that’s the sort of thing that you can tell without showing? I don’t. The route thing is a common, well established question NFL people have about Heupel receivers that predates Thornton even coming here. Now, if you want to argue that those questions only exist because Donte Thornton struggled in interviews, I guess you can, but you aren’t coming off too sharp by doing so.
 
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Behr said:
I keep telling myself that most of it is just trolling. Some of this stuff you can't make up.
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I wonder if the coaches sit around in meetings and call each other trolls if anyone dares to question, critique or offer alternative methods to improve the team.

Yeah we’re just a bunch wannabe coaches talking about things we know very little about, but that’s kinda what a fan forum exists for.
 
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Clad in Big Orange said:
I wonder if the coaches sit around in meetings and call each other trolls if anyone dares to question, critique or offer alternative methods to improve the team.

Yeah we’re just a bunch wannabe coaches talking about things we know very little about, but that’s kinda what a fan forum exists for.
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See, this is a perfect example. You have no clue as to what I'm talking about and look stupid with your replay.

According to some of you that's exactly what it seems the coaches are doing because they're sure not improving.

Nico, receivers and oline wasn't great but we won more games in 24 than 23, went to the playoffs, beat Florida and Bama. But everyone has figured out Heupel's gimmick offense and if he doesn't figure something out he's going to be fired.

Yes it's a message board and you can say whatever you'd like as long as it's in Freaks guidelines. So can I.

Funny no one gave a crap about what I said but you.
 
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