Thanks Dont'e I’m sure this will help recruiting

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jackaro said:
Is he supposed to say things to help with recruiting now that he is no longer here? He is giving his opinion on how he is viewed by NFL teams. I think it is fine to question if his opinion is correct but criticizing him for hurting recruiting is unfair.
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Ok just my opinion, he had a good bit of drops two years ago and struggled w/ health, which may have impacted the confidence JH had in him. He didn't win too many contested balls which is also big part of evaluation. Fair debate on how we used or didn't use him. I think since Godish left, combined w/ lesser QB talent, that we've gotten very vanilla and predictable. Being predictable isn't good...unless you're a force of nature to just win your 1v1 matchups a high percentage of the time.
 
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This is lack of prep fo the interview. I would like to think that I would be getting advice on how to communicate what they wanted to hear effectively before hand from experts in the process. Sounds like that is not the case. I really am starting to think that NIL has players not focusing on the draft interviews like they should. It seems like more and more and just walking in not ready expecting to be courted and not to be grilled.
 
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camp_steveo said:
I was talking about posters referring to other coaches that are critical of UT's scheme. We shouldn't believe anything coming from another team's coach.
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Lol, have you watched much football before? When you have receivers lined up on the sidelines, you’re not going to have a pro style route tree because you aren’t going to have out breaking routes and you aren’t going to use the middle of the field nearly as much. That’s not propaganda, and anyone with a lick of sense can figure that out.
 
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fossilfiction said:
This is lack of prep fo the interview. I would like to think that I would be getting advice on how to communicate what they wanted to hear effectively before hand from experts in the process. Sounds like that is not the case. I really am starting to think that NIL has players not focusing on the draft interviews like they should. It seems like more and more and just walking in not ready expecting to be courted and not to be grilled.
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How is it a lack of prep for the interview? He’s simply saying what teams questioned him about in his interview
 
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B81 said:
I will take a top 15 ranked offense, wins over bama and Florida however they come, and finishing the season in the playoffs. Beats the heck out of most of the past 20 years.

If Thornton can’t figure out an nfl route tree it is his IQ and not CJH fault.
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If you truly think our offense was one of the best 15 offenses in the country, I have some oceanfront property in Vonore to sell you. We ran up some numbers by onside kicking against Kent State and calling late timeouts against UTEP and the like, but in SEC play, our offense was middling at best. Against OSU, our offense was nonexistent.
 
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I just hope Heupel isn't tracking along the same path as Gus Malzahn and Hugh Freeze. Two coaches that were once considered offensive gurus stricking fear in the minds of opposing DCs. Neither have proven to be consistently great after a few special seasons. DCs figure things out eventually. What succeeds is top-tier talent at every position and tweaking the system to maximize the strengths of that talent. That's what Saban did year after year despite a revolving door at OC and QB. I don't expect Heupel to be Saban, but evolve as needed.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Thornton got drafted in spite of going to the sidelines anytime a defender looked at him sideways.
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He caught one long pass against tOSU, got taken down to the frozen turf and got up and tapped out. He didn't want anything to do with any of that. What is going to do when he gets hit and hits the frozen turf in Cleveland, Buffalo, or Pittsburgh?
 
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So, wide receivers who come to Tennessee have to learn Heupel's offense, but that causes them to, for some reason, not be able to learn the route tree for a pro team. Have I got this right? The complexities of any offense has to be learned. These guys had to learn the system they ran on their high school team, then their college choice's system, but they can't learn the pro team system if they go to Tennessee? Don't think I'm gonna believe that nonsense.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Probably a moot point since the league has this offense solved and Heupel really hasn't been able to counter what the defenses are doing.

Can't hang his hat on 12 personnel forever. Sooner or later Heupel will make a fundamental change in philosophy and hire a real OC or he will get fired.
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😂 league has his offense solved? It’s been one of the top offenses in the country year in and out. We sucked last year bc of injuries along the Oline and having a redshirt freshman qb. Philosophy shifts when your qb isn’t able to run the full offense, philosophy also shifts when you can’t protect with the personnel you have on the field.
 
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OffTackleVol said:
That's BS. Just another article for the negative Nellies to jump on. Route trees are route trees, not much difference regardless of offensive scheme. Hyatt didn't have much trouble getting drafted.
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Name another one. Heupel tries to fit every square receiver into a round hole. Prime example is Keyton following Tillman. The go ball, with the receiver pinned to the sideline (a DBs dream) worked well for Tillman. He was good with the 50/50 ball. Keyton was not. Keyton never got the chance to show what HE was good at. Hence, not getting drafted, but going on to make the Raiders team as an undrafted free agent.
 
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bigorangepoppa said:
So, wide receivers who come to Tennessee have to learn Heupel's offense, but that causes them to, for some reason, not be able to learn the route tree for a pro team. Have I got this right? The complexities of any offense has to be learned. These guys had to learn the system they ran on their high school team, then their college choice's system, but they can't learn the pro team system if they go to Tennessee? Don't think I'm gonna believe that nonsense.
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Yes; Heupel's scheme is so unlike football generally - not just WR routes - the NCAA debates whether TN can continue referring to it as D1 football.
 
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BigBadVol said:
How about keeping your mouth shut and saying nothing. You sound like TN’s offense kept you from being some sort of superstar. You don’t get to the NFL on talent alone. A lot of good coaching comes along with it.
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Maybe with him saying something will cause Heupel to self-reflect and use his receivers to the best of THEIR abilities. He's not doing that at this point. He never has.
 
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People said the same thing about Spurier in the 90's. Same thing about Saban and QB's. He could win a national championship with them but couldn't find one good enough to start on Sunday. Until he did.
We have 5 receivers under CJH that have been drafted. Milton and Nico didn't do anyone favors in helping getting drafted.
 
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B81 said:
So the route trees that produce countless receivers running wide A open isn’t good enough for the NFL? Maybe it is time for the NFL offensive coordinators to take a few things from CJH! The nfl has always taken from the innovators of the game which historically resided in college.
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You're right about receivers running wide open, but they don't get the ball. Heupel teaches his QBs to wait for the primary receiver to choose which way he will go based on coverage. While he's waiting, instead of the QB going through a progression, he never sees the 2nd or 3rd receiver wide open. His system hinders QBs as well.
 
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More than just individual routes, I bet DT was talking about route combinations. At a most basic level, you can’t run crossing routes when the WRs start a full field width apart, and there is a whole world of ways to time and adjust those routes. Because you’re not attacking 10-15 yards deep over the middle, WRs are spending less time learning to read a zone and sit in the hole. Route interactions, beyond switch/scissor routes on the same side, are less of a factor in Tennessee’s offense. Instead, the offense is designed to simplify reads to make defenses pick between defending the run with too few players or playing high-risk defense against deep passes.

None of these things are necessarily a big deal. No CFB offense is as complex as the worst NFL offense, and no WR shows up knowing what to do. NFL guys are drafting on physical traits most of the time. Any player with NFL ambitions should be spending time learning the game on his own, whether he plays in Knoxville or Athens or Columbus. College coaches are playing to win, not develop. They’ll only develop as much as needed to win.
 
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B81 said:
So the route trees that produce countless receivers running wide A open isn’t good enough for the NFL? Maybe it is time for the NFL offensive coordinators to take a few things from CJH! The nfl has always taken from the innovators of the game which historically resided in college.
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Their point is there is no evidence on film of them running those routes.. UT has a truncated route tree with not a lot of intermediate routes its all short or GO...its mostly run to a spot. Its not that they are saying these guys can't run the routes because they play in this offense its they don't have FILM and without FILM it does not count. They want ot see it on film so they can break down their hips and so on. their ability to create separation. In this offense its mostly the scheme that creates separation. This is not a knock on the scheme; it works. It allows you to be successful with WR's who might be limited. The downside is it puts a stigma on these who play in it and kind of stifles growth to some extent. You can practice the whole route tree but if you're not doing it in game its not the same. Just like you see videos of Ben Simmons or Angel Resse draining threes in the offseason it does not translate into the season. Trust me Reesse will be bricking layups again this season. Same with running routes its not something you just start doing.. its a craft you hone over years and learn facing many opponents. There is a reason people minds get blown when they find out Jerry Rice ran a 4.71. He looked fast on the field and was always open.. because routes. Good Route running can make you look faster than you are because you create separation over faster players.
 
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tone357 said:
You're right about receivers running wide open, but they don't get the ball. Heupel teaches his QBs to wait for the primary receiver to choose which way he will go based on coverage. While he's waiting, instead of the QB going through a progression, he never sees the 2nd or 3rd receiver wide open. His system hinders QBs as well.
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It didn't hinder Hooker.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
If you truly think our offense was one of the best 15 offenses in the country, I have some oceanfront property in Vonore to sell you. We ran up some numbers by onside kicking against Kent State and calling late timeouts against UTEP and the like, but in SEC play, our offense was middling at best. Against OSU, our offense was nonexistent.
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Dont'e didn't play Squirrel didn't play and Sampson didn't play.
 
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