Throw out the tuition

#76
#76
We are the ones that set the Value. We are the only ones that can stop it. It will never happen, we are addicted and theres no cure!
 
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Pride85 said:
Basically, all that proves is how or why they get the money. It does not in any way explain why they DESERVE it.
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They deserve it because someone pays it for them to participate in the sport. The player can ASK for Ohtani money but the school can say no but we'll give you XXX.

It's like any salary negotiation. What someone will pay you to throw boxes in a warehouse is what you are worth to do that. What someone will pay you to throw a baseball or football is what you are worth to do that.

Lots of pro players are paid based on potential, then are "busts" just like college students. Teams take a chance that a guy will perform and bring in revenue, a Natty, whatever the team/business is looking to achieve.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
That violates federal law. Why do people keep advocating for law breaking here?

Jealousy? Mad that the athletes are finally getting fair market value for their work?
Obsolete ideas that and don't want to admit it? Refusal to accept change?
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It's funny to hear the talk of "law" in all of this at least he didn't say anything about ethics
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Are they though? I find it interesting that you never hear about any players whatsoever having to miss games due to "violation of team rules" i.e. grades or pot anymore. Am I supposed to believe that suddenly all these guys are model students? Something has changed with these players over the last few years and I don't buy they've suddenly become smarter. Either the academic standards have been watered down to a huge degree or the staff over at the Thornton Center is writing papers and taking tests for these guys. To not have ANY guys on an 85 man roster be in academic trouble in several years is highly suspect to me.

Remember when they used to introduce players on TV, and they would announce their majors? They don't even do that anymore. Who TF knows what these kids are majoring in anymore.
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There is a rational, factual explanation.
Most of the athletes take sports management or similar concentrations that fit their futures better than astrophysics. Granted, not every athlete is Josh Dobbs, but modern life requires modern degrees.

My grandad had to take Greek and Latin to get his Masters in Education at UT in 1930-31. Who - out of the entire student body - does that now?
 
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Pride85 said:
Basically, all that proves is how or why they get the money. It does not in any way explain why they DESERVE it.
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Because they can get it. If fans stopped showing up, they wouldn't get it anymore. Pretty simple really. They don't deserve it, because all they are is entertainment. But they can because we fans are idiots and tribal
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
It's funny to hear the talk of "law" in all of this at least he didn't say anything about ethics
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Ethics? Like the ethics of the NCAA using that "amateur" sham to make millions while suspending athletes for taking a side job or accepting a free meal?

THAT kind of "ethics"???
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
You can't objectively define "truth" in this instance, much less show any supporting evidence for what you claim it is.

I'll pop some popcorn and wait...
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You do that. And keep living in your fantasy world.

Let me guess. You think it is the government that pays for things like social security and welfare and all those kind of "benefits".

So money for athletes sans fans will magically appear . Tell me. How's that work for the WNBA?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Because they can get it. If fans stopped showing up, they wouldn't get it anymore. Pretty simple really. They don't deserve it, because all they are is entertainment. But they can because we fans are idiots and tribal
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That is exactly my point.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Because they can get it. If fans stopped showing up, they wouldn't get it anymore. Pretty simple really. They don't deserve it, because all they are is entertainment. But they can because we fans are idiots and tribal
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Almost every game we see a post like, "I'm bringing my kid to their first game in Neyland......" so I'm doubtful it dies easily especially if we're successful. We are quite successful in football, basketball, and baseball. People like winners.

When you're cheering for that dime the QB just dropped, it's very easy to forget the money the QB and WR are getting. Very easy.

When you're watching a deep run in March Madness, you're probably not thinking about how much the point guard gets paid.

When Vitello is taking the guys to Omaha again, does anyone really care how much that lefty gets paid to pitch?

UT has momentum. It might lessen some but winning covers a lot of ugliness.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
They deserve it because someone pays it for them to participate in the sport. The player can ASK for Ohtani money but the school can say no but we'll give you XXX.

It's like any salary negotiation. What someone will pay you to throw boxes in a warehouse is what you are worth to do that. What someone will pay you to throw a baseball or football is what you are worth to do that.

Lots of pro players are paid based on potential, then are "busts" just like college students. Teams take a chance that a guy will perform and bring in revenue, a Natty, whatever the team/business is looking to achieve.
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I don't think Ohtani deserves the money he gets. I don't think his coaches deserve what they get. I don't think the General Manager deserves what he gets. When someone that earns their money through hard work, creates a product that sells and is used in multiple locations, they are treated like dirt. But run around on the field and catch a few TDs or two a game and you are somehow worth more than some towns make in a year. You will say their career is short so they deserve more. OK, then take the average lifetime earnings of the country (all 330+ million) and make that their maximum salary spread out over their career. You say they work hard at their "craft". Let them come to the factory and work on the floor with the operators running the weld cells with no AC. You say they have to work hard in the gym in the off season to keep in shape. Millions of people do that, and pay for it, at gyms around the country. Baseball players get paid millions of dollars to fail 60%+ of the time. You say they are under a lot of pressure. Imagine the pressure on a cardiovascular surgeon if he failed 60% of the time. Say I am clutching pearls, say I am old fashioned. I say I actually have some concept of what is important and what is entertainment. I love sports, but I don't like spoiled brats causing every product in the country to go up in price to pay them.
 
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Pride85 said:
I don't think Ohtani deserves the money he gets. I don't think his coaches deserve what they get. I don't think the General Manager deserves what he gets. When someone that earns their money through hard work, creates a product that sells and is used in multiple locations, they are treated like dirt. But run around on the field and catch a few TDs or two a game and you are somehow worth more than some towns make in a year. You will say their career is short so they deserve more. OK, then take the average lifetime earnings of the country (all 330+ million) and make that their maximum salary spread out over their career. You say they work hard at their "craft". Let them come to the factory and work on the floor with the operators running the weld cells with no AC. You say they have to work hard in the gym in the off season to keep in shape. Millions of people do that, and pay for it, at gyms around the country. Baseball players get paid millions of dollars to fail 60%+ of the time. You say they are under a lot of pressure. Imagine the pressure on a cardiovascular surgeon if he failed 60% of the time. Say I am clutching pearls, say I am old fashioned. I say I actually have some concept of what is important and what is entertainment. I love sports, but I don't like spoiled brats causing every product in the country to go up in price to pay them.
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Nice rant but that's not how a market economy works.

Lots of people can learn to weld so the job isn't worth as much as Ohtani's job because almost no one can throw a baseball like him AND hit a baseball like him. He very well may be the only human EVER on earth who can do that as well as he does.

Unique skills are in more demand than easily learned skills like welding, so getting paid more even though the job is "easier" is normal.

Ranting that these athletes are not valuable is just incorrect. Go ahead, try to do what any of them do...... even dial yourself back to their age and try to run or throw or whatever like them. It ain't that easy.

Is hot day after day like a factory? Nope. But it still is more valuable because those kids could likely learn to do factory jobs but most factory guys will never be able to run a 4.4 40 or touch the top of the square on backboard or hit a 90+mph fastball.

I know you're likely not a socialist but you don't get to engineer a society where people who do things "for the good of humanity" get paid more than people with unique talents.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Nice rant but that's not how a market economy works.

Lots of people can learn to weld so the job isn't worth as much as Ohtani's job because almost no one can throw a baseball like him AND hit a baseball like him. He very well may be the only human EVER on earth who can do that as well as he does.

Unique skills are in more demand than easily learned skills like welding, so getting paid more even though the job is "easier" is normal.

Ranting that these athletes are not valuable is just incorrect. Go ahead, try to do what any of them do...... even dial yourself back to their age and try to run or throw or whatever like them. It ain't that easy.

Is hot day after day like a factory? Nope. But it still is more valuable because those kids could likely learn to do factory jobs but most factory guys will never be able to run a 4.4 40 or touch the top of the square on backboard or hit a 90+mph fastball.

I know you're likely not a socialist but you don't get to engineer a society where people who do things "for the good of humanity" get paid more than people with unique talents.
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Whatever. A market economy is based on a person willing to pay something for something. You are correct in that. The willingness to fork over the ridiculous amount of money for entertainment is one of the true signs of the deterioration of society in general. The money should be spent in better ways. You are free to have your opinion. I will not change mine.
 
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Pride85 said:
Basically, all that proves is how or why they get the money. It does not in any way explain why they DESERVE it.
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Thats because nobody ever has to explain why. The only measure of value is what the parties to the transaction believe it is.
 
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GAVol said:
Thats because nobody ever has to explain why. The only measure of value is what the parties to the transaction believe it is.
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It never ceases to amaze me how paying college players makes a lot of (presumably) conservative people sound like commies.

"Hey, Mr. Corporate CEO - I know you have a contract where Company XYZ pays you $10 million a year, but you don't deserve it!" Swap out Mr. Corporate CEO with "college athlete" and it is the exact same argument.
 
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Pride85 said:
Whatever. A market economy is based on a person willing to pay something for something. You are correct in that. The willingness to fork over the ridiculous amount of money for entertainment is one of the true signs of the deterioration of society in general. The money should be spent in better ways. You are free to have your opinion. I will not change mine.
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Why do you, in any way, support UT Athletics then?
 
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Pride85 said:
I don't think Ohtani deserves the money he gets. I don't think his coaches deserve what they get. I don't think the General Manager deserves what he gets. When someone that earns their money through hard work, creates a product that sells and is used in multiple locations, they are treated like dirt. But run around on the field and catch a few TDs or two a game and you are somehow worth more than some towns make in a year. You will say their career is short so they deserve more. OK, then take the average lifetime earnings of the country (all 330+ million) and make that their maximum salary spread out over their career. You say they work hard at their "craft". Let them come to the factory and work on the floor with the operators running the weld cells with no AC. You say they have to work hard in the gym in the off season to keep in shape. Millions of people do that, and pay for it, at gyms around the country. Baseball players get paid millions of dollars to fail 60%+ of the time. You say they are under a lot of pressure. Imagine the pressure on a cardiovascular surgeon if he failed 60% of the time. Say I am clutching pearls, say I am old fashioned. I say I actually have some concept of what is important and what is entertainment. I love sports, but I don't like spoiled brats causing every product in the country to go up in price to pay them.
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I don't think you deserve the money you get.

In all seriousness, people are not paid on what they "deserve." Never have been, nor should they be, because ultimately that is in the eye of the beholder. You also don't get paid based upon how hard you work, how many hours you put in, or how dangerous your job is.

If you have a skill/knowledge/attribute that is in low supply, and there is great demand for it, you will be paid well. It does not matter if you are saving the whales or starring in a reality TV show.
 
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cgrish said:
It's not violating the law for a person to play football at any college and not have a scholarship. It's done all the time, walk ons.
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It violates federal law if it's it used to discriminate in any way. You want to see it that way. Ergo, it's a a Civil Rights violation, for starters.

If it's used to penalize those who get NIL,
it is also discriminatory, based on the Sherman Antitrust Act and it across a state line, the Sherman Antitrust Act.

Your idea is - flatly - epically stupid. If it was smart, some school would already have done it. They haven't, br auseno one that gives a scholarships is that stupid.
 
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Great way to put UT wayyy behind the 8-ball.

"Hey 5* with a huge ego...come walk on at UT"

😭😭

And who's to say the kid making 5k wants a degree more than the kid making a million? Hooker and Dobbs and many others were great students.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
It violates federal law if it's it used to discriminate in any way. You want to see it that way. Ergo, it's a a Civil Rights violation, for starters.

If it's used to penalize those who get NIL,
it is also discriminatory, based on the Sherman Antitrust Act and it across a state line, the Sherman Antitrust Act.

Your idea is - flatly - epically stupid. If it was smart, some school would already have done it. They haven't, br auseno one that gives a scholarships is that stupid.
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Speaking of stupid epically lol And I was saying I walk on could play without scholarship
 
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