War in Ukraine

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lawgator1 said:
He was, correctly, warning that Russia won't stop at Ukraine.
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And all the MAGAs blindly following Trump need to understand that. But at some point, this becomes a simple numbers game for Ukraine. Russia will outlast them and leave them decimated. There has to be a middle ground between total appeasement and a no win scenario.
 
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GAVol said:
And all the MAGAs blindly following Trump need to understand that. But at some point, this becomes a simple numbers game for Ukraine. Russia will outlast them and leave them decimated. There has to be a middle ground between total appeasement and a no win scenario.
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they're already worse than decimated, militariky speaking.

Zelenskyy should resign and get the **** out of dodge before these neaderthals advocating for turning him over to putin get too much inertia.

Ukraine has lost with a hostile sponsor and there's no getting around it.

For our part, we should have never been sponsoring it. Hell, Bush should have kept his dumbass trap shut all those years ago.
Instead we fed a generations old dream of actualized independence from Russia because we saw their energy potential as a way to get western europe off Putins tit.

Now Europe is paying us exorbitant prices for gas and oil, nobody in the world trusts us anymore and we're scrambling for rare minerals after pissing off everyone who has them.

This was a masterclass in stupidity across 5 administrations
 
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lawgator1 said:
He was, correctly, warning that Russia won't stop at Ukraine.
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So, it's you position that Ukraine is the wall between us and Russia, and when that falls they will cross the ocean to attack the United States?

It's your position that WW3 is actually inevitable, so we should just go ahead and start it by putting US boots on the ground at Russia's border? That's your argument?
 
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GAVol said:
And all the MAGAs blindly following Trump need to understand that. But at some point, this becomes a simple numbers game for Ukraine. Russia will outlast them and leave them decimated. There has to be a middle ground between total appeasement and a no win scenario.
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Which is what Trump is trying to negotiate.
 
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Ashevolle said:
And why wouldn't Europe be capable of the latter? Their rich, have multiple nuclear powers, and it's in their personal interest…
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I don’t think they have the will.
(Of course, that could be because they have not been forced to exercise their will in quite some time; that is changing.)
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, it's you position that Ukraine is the wall between us and Russia, and when that falls they will cross the ocean to attack the United States?

It's your position that WW3 is actually inevitable, so we should just go ahead and start it by putting US boots on the ground at Russia's border? That's your argument?
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This is news to me, the Ukraine was winning. Now the Russians are going to bring 30m troops across the pond to destroy America. :eek:
 
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Matt2496 said:
You didn't find the fireworks fascinating? It's like actually getting to be the fly on the wall when the deals are made or break down.
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It was unbelievale TV but I can't say I'm "glad" it happened. My entertainment isn't more important than the geopolitics.

Also, I really doubt this is how things go behind closed doors, except maybe in the Tump admin. Even still, I doubt it's like this. It was performative in some ways, I'm sure.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It was unbelievale TV but I can't say I'm "glad" it happened. My entertainment isn't more important than the geopolitics.
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Nothing of importance happened, the Mad Jester doesn't want to agree with anyone and that is the only important thing out it. It just shows the world and ukraine that he is not willing to agree.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It wasn't going to happen. It was all about bashing Zelensky, on TV, as though it was impromptu.

It wasn't. It was planned.

Absolutely disgusting and the worst embarrassment for the US of perhaps all time.
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Not even close.
 
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just bob said:
Hey - those of you who are so damn desperate to get into a war with Russia, are you all going to sign up to fight it?
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Here is a summary of our insane posters in this thread over 3 years

> ukraine is winning
> we don't need no plan, its russia
> no one ever signs up

Signed, the Smart Internet Tough Guys
 
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lawgator1 said:
It wasn't going to happen. It was all about bashing Zelensky, on TV, as though it was impromptu.

It wasn't. It was planned.

Absolutely disgusting and the worst embarrassment for the US of perhaps all time.
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The is just factually not true. It seems like you've only watched the 5-minute out of context sound bites and haven't actually watched the full press conference.
 
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Orangeburst said:
It was..Z came to DC to sign an agreement and backed out.
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When did Russia become an ally? Why does he need to sign over mineral rights? Don't we defend Democracy? Or that's over now? The collapse of the US and MAGA cheers. The government provides a service and is not a business.
 
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