War in Ukraine

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DC_Vol said:
It’s deeper than that. Goes back to the phone call and impeachment.
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Exactly. At this point, Zelenskyy needs to step down. Ukraine needs a partnership with the US. Fair or not, Trump is never going to enter legit negotiations until someone else is representing Ukraine's interests.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It wasn't going to happen. It was all about bashing Zelensky, on TV, as though it was impromptu.

It wasn't. It was planned.

Absolutely disgusting and the worst embarrassment for the US of perhaps all time.
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So why did they wait until 40 minutes into the press conference to ambush him?
 
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Velo Vol said:
I believe you are right.

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Of course it was planned, they told him if he wasn't interested in a solving this than we don't have to be involved. As soon as he said to the last ukrainian, vance went after it because warned him last week. Further, they already had an agreement in principle for the 3rd time, and he backed out of that.
 
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Orangeburst said:
you are fos
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There is NO WAY, no way EVER, that Vance was just going to light into the guy like that, and talk about him not be grateful, etc. It was PURE Theater, anyone not a blind as fgck MAGA loon could see that it was a pre arranged ambush from the getgo.

His speech was rehearsed. It was obvious. They just waited for Zelensky to give the opening.

And IMMEDIATELY, waaaaayyyy too imediately, the administration lackeys were out there all saying the same taking points.

Absolute fake set up. Blatantly obvious.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There is NO WAY, no way EVER, that Vance was just going to light into the guy like that, and talk about him not be grateful, etc. It was PURE Theater, anyone not a blind as fgck MAGA loon could see that it was a pre arranged ambush from the getgo.

His speech was rehearsed. It was obvious. They just waited for Zelensky to give the opening.

And IMMEDIATELY, waaaaayyyy too imediately, the administration lackeys were out there all saying the same taking points.

Absolute fake set up. Blatantly obvious.
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They were already prepared for him to back out, Vance already said this last week when he did the same crap.

Fake setup, so the Ukraine is working on this with the U.S.? 😂
 
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lawgator1 said:
There is NO WAY, no way EVER, that Vance was just going to light into the guy like that, and talk about him not be grateful, etc. It was PURE Theater, anyone not a blind as fgck MAGA loon could see that it was a pre arranged ambush from the getgo.

His speech was rehearsed. It was obvious. They just waited for Zelensky to give the opening.

And IMMEDIATELY, waaaaayyyy too imediately, the administration lackeys were out there all saying the same taking points.

Absolute fake set up. Blatantly obvious.
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You think Trump intentionally passed up a 500B offer..lmao. you would have better luck finding the Pee Tape and your mail running faster.
 
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Boston Vol said:
So basically at this point, we’re screwed.
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No. The Ukraine will materially lose, and Europe is next but they will be fighting each other not Russia. The U.S. is on this side of the pond. The neocons set this one up well.

War in Ukraine Sept 2022
Wait till some of these European countries figure out the potential end game for them. Getting a tad late to complain though.
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War in Ukraine Oct 2022
This all starts when Europe finally figures out the United States isn't there friend. Europe is going to suffer for decades to come either way.
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We're at the stage that Europe figures out they are going the way of the dinosaur. Desperation. Panic at some point.

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bamawriter said:
Exactly. At this point, Zelenskyy needs to step down. Ukraine needs a partnership with the US. Fair or not, Trump is never going to enter legit negotiations until someone else is representing Ukraine's interests.
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It’s all really bizarre. Zelensky could have signed an agreement last week but pushed for a public affair on Trump’s turf.

Instead of signing an agreement, he chose to pitch his case to the people and the media live on television cameras. There’s no way that is going to end well for anybody but their primary enemy.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Putin has severely diminished his equipment and manpower to next to nothing. They are in no position to win any large skirmish. Shot their wad on the Ukrainians.
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It is a dumb post. USSR was 10x the strength of Putin's current Russia. Russia may take part of Ukraine back, a nation that was apart of their nation for over 400 years prior to 1991.
 
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Orangeburst said:
You think Trump intentionally passed up a 500B offer..lmao. you would have better luck finding the Pee Tape and your mail running faster.
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It wasn't going to happen. He gave up nothing.

Do you think Vance would ever upstage Trump like that? Or that Trump would let him?

No way. Never.
 
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