TikTok is too influential

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#302
I don’t trust TikTok (so I’m not on it), the CCP or our three letter agencies. NSA has enormous data centers collecting every email, text and voice over internet calls that float across the interwebz. Can’t wait till I retire. I get to ditch the smart phone, go back to a flip phone and will shut down my online presence, with the exception of VolNation, while I hide behind my vpn. Don’t you give me up @Freak!
 
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#303
#303
lawgator1 said:
The guy sells USA bibles (made in China), fake Swiss watches, and now crypto. He's all about making a buck, always has been. Tik Tok exec/investor shows up at Mar-a-lago, dumps millions into the campaign and, its a Saturnalia Miracle! Trump sees the light and intervenes to save the very thing he warned was a national security threat .. repeatedly ... just before the money came in.
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It's
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Four
years!
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Grand Vol said:
Would you trust the intelligence community if they said... well... anything? I'm pretty sure on the beginning Trump and others listened intently to what they were saying. And followed the advice.

Four years have passed and he got wise to be wary of what they were telling him. So, a change of heart is plausible.

This whole data thing came from somewhere. My guess is someone in the intelligence field got their knickers in a wad over something and felt like it should be banned. Plus, the government had and has zero control over the platform like they did with FB, Twitter and Google. Or did at least.

Remember when Elon took over Twitter and all the sudden you started seeing investigations? Or after Zuck started moving away from the plantation they started looking into him deeper? They can't do that with Tiktok.

But what they can do is scream and screech about how the Chinese are gonna steal your data and the Big Red Menace is lurking under your bed.

My guess is they weren't happy with how popular it got very quickly and couldn't control it. Hence the change in certain circles.
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So you believe this change by both Charlie and Trump was because they received further intelligence briefings on the purpose/influence of tiktok and thoughtfully did a 180 on their previous stance? Hmmm, neither really appear that bright
 
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Grand Vol said:
Would you trust the intelligence community if they said... well... anything? I'm pretty sure on the beginning Trump and others listened intently to what they were saying. And followed the advice.

Four years have passed and he got wise to be wary of what they were telling him. So, a change of heart is plausible.

This whole data thing came from somewhere. My guess is someone in the intelligence field got their knickers in a wad over something and felt like it should be banned. Plus, the government had and has zero control over the platform like they did with FB, Twitter and Google. Or did at least.

Remember when Elon took over Twitter and all the sudden you started seeing investigations? Or after Zuck started moving away from the plantation they started looking into him deeper? They can't do that with Tiktok.

But what they can do is scream and screech about how the Chinese are gonna steal your data and the Big Red Menace is lurking under your bed.

My guess is they weren't happy with how popular it got very quickly and couldn't control it. Hence the change in certain circles.
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100%, Trump's position was based on demonizing China. The change of heart came from opportunity. Trump gave credit to TikTok for his election win.

“I have a warm spot in my heart for TikTok,” Trump said, then claiming to have won the youth vote by a significant margin. “And there are those that say that TikTok had something to do with it.”
 
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#308
utvolpj said:
So you believe this change by both Charlie and Trump was because they received further intelligence briefings on the purpose/influence of tiktok and thoughtfully did a 180 on their previous stance? Hmmm, neither really appear that bright
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Kirk changed positions because Trump did. That's a simple fact.

Trump likely started seeing through the BS and came around. Even AOC posted a video about how the "evidence" about data collection was unfounded and she couldn't support it. And if AOC, who's certainly not the brightest candle in the box, feels like the evidence doesn't support it, that's saying something.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Kirk changed positions because Trump did. That's a simple fact.

Trump likely started seeing through the BS and came around. Even AOC posted a video about how the "evidence" about data collection was unfounded and she couldn't support it. And if AOC, who's certainly not the brightest candle in the box, feels like the evidence doesn't support it, that's saying something.
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#313
Grand Vol said:
You think he had a reason to trust the IC after what happened between 2016 and 2021?
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I don't think he ever had a reason.

I'm just a little stunned by your logic of "oh yeah, Trump just finally saw through the BS and timing had absolutely nothing to do with it."
 
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#316
DinkinFlicka said:
I don't think he ever had a reason.

I'm just a little stunned by your logic of "oh yeah, Trump just finally saw through the BS and timing had absolutely nothing to do with it."
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Oh, I'm sure timing had something to do with it as well.
 
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#318
Grand Vol said:
Others should be talking about it.

But some are. Rand Paul spoke out against it as well.
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People are talking about the IC, just not in this conversation because this conversation is about why Trump banned TT and then changed his mind, and it's not the IC. It's because he's an opportunist. Demonizing China is one of his favorite moves, hence his original position. TikTok is popular and helped him get elected, hence his change of mind.
 
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#320
People giving Trump crap about keeping Tik tok alive for political gain is rich, considering the outgoing president left the entire southern border open for 4 years in order to buy votes of “immigrants”. GMAFB
 
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#321
n_huffhines said:
People are talking about the IC, just not in this conversation because this conversation is about why Trump banned TT and then changed his mind, and it's not the IC. It's because he's an opportunist. Demonizing China is one of his favorite moves, hence his original position. TikTok is popular and helped him get elected, hence his change of mind.
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I agree demonizing China is a go to move of his and I agree his use of TT probably helped (how much help it was we might disagree on).

But the motives for the ban were not that clear as well as it started coming out about the true ownership of the platform. 40% is already owned outside of the PRC, so, the China boogeyman is not as looming as they make it out to be.

Again, I think it comes down to control. TT is a platform they can't control, can't use coercion on, can't threaten and can't manipulate. This makes it a threat and it's causing even more people to wake up to the fact their "representatives" aren't really representing them. Add in the Meta stock conspiracy (likely not a conspiracy) which adds fuel to the fire.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
People giving Trump crap about keeping Tik tok alive for political gain is rich, considering the outgoing president left the entire southern border open for 4 years in order to buy votes of “immigrants”. GMAFB
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Wait, so we shouldn't give Trump crap for opportunistically flip-flopping because Biden sucked?

More race to the bottom BS
 
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#323
DinkinFlicka said:
It was all timing, my dude. You should toss the notion that he had some omen of clarity while scrying in his study one contemplative evening.
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I'm pretty sure it's while he was deep in a game of Cards Against Humanity, but I digress.

Difference is, it doesn't have to be an overnight decision. Barron was in his ear about it as well. I'll agree that timing was important if you'll agree that the motives for banklning it weren't as pure as they let on.
 
#324
#324
I’m not on TikTok so I don’t know, but did TikTok ban or suppress posted content that was right of center wrt opposition or information on Covid/vaccine, border situation or other political issues? FB, YouTube and other platforms sure did. Did TT do the same or just let it flow?
 
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