Trump Assassination Attempt(s)

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EasternVol said:
I don't see how it's really SOP.
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Even if this were the case. They would’ve removed Trump from stage before shots were fired. Either the counter sniper team didn’t recognize the threat until too late or they were told to hold off bc maybe someone thought the local authorities were dealing with the issue. No one wants to shoot a troubled 20 yo that probably has been brainwashed but at the point where the guy gets in that position you have to deal with him.

This is embarrassing on an international level though. A loan gunman barely out of high school can get in a snipers position 130 yards from a former president/current candidate and get off multiple shots? That’s failure from top to bottom of an organization like the secret service.
 
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McDad said:
I am not so certain about that. In an emergency situation, I do not think POTUS has any say.
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Oh, if they need to drag him out of there for an emergency... sure, they're actually trained to do just that.

Where the SS really failed here is just getting him off stage when the guy got up on the roof.... gun or no gun. It was impossible for anyone to physically get to that guy quickly at that point.

Just my take.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
This is a unique case. This isnt Jimmy Carter or Mitt Romney.

Considering they gave the locals this vulnerable spot leads me to speculate they have understaffed (bad risk assessment, retention issues) his detail...
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Would be interesting to see the number of secret service agents on his detail this stop vs the normal and to see how many were on Jill Biden’s detail. It gives the appearance of something especially heinous if Trump’s detail was reduced even if nothing was intentional it will really get the conspiracy theories rolling moreso.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Would be interesting to see the number of secret service agents on his detail this stop vs the normal and to see how many were on Jill Biden’s detail. It gives the appearance of something especially heinous if Trump’s detail was reduced even if nothing was intentional it will really get the conspiracy theories rolling moreso.
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My speculation is that they will claim they've given him what they gave prior presumptive nominees...

But Romney in 2012 vs Trump in 2024 isnt the same animal

Curious how he compares to Hillary in 2016. Probably the best comparable out there (Id say he's a higher risk target now than she was)
 
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MercyPercy said:
The main thing here I don't understand is why SS didn't rush his orange ass off the stage immediately. I understand they shot the one guy at that point but in the heat of the moment you don't know how many shooters there are. To even allow him to get up and poke his head out multiple times and delay his exit seems wild to me.
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I think that's actually protocol. They are shielding him and blocking all possible angles for any opportunity for a targeted follow up shot in case there are still active or multiple shooters. Remember, they are wearing the latest and best lightweight body armor, the safest place for the protected is under layers of all those agents with armor on.

Leading him offstage without a secure perimeter would expose the protected to more shots.
 
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This assassination attempt is like the plot of some lower rung BritBox drama series. We would all roll our eyes at the stupidity, like "riiight, there's like 1 building in the vicinity of the stage and this dweeb straight out of central casting for a disgruntled community theater understudy amazingly somehow gets up on the rooftop with a rifle without secret service or cops noticing or caring? And wait, where the f did the ladder come from?? Sure, BritBox, sure..."
 
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Carp said:
It was literally sited just last week that this was a possibility.
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It was cited as something she could exploit because of what Clarence Thomas said. It stinks to high heaven. This is even worse than her special master ruling - which was overturned - with a a very harsh rebuke. Aileen Cannon is biased. Plain and simple.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It was cited as something she could exploit because of what Clarence Thomas said. It stinks to high heaven. This is even worse than her special master ruling - which was overturned - with a a very harsh rebuke. Aileen Cannon is biased. Plain and simple.
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Cry harder w/those crock tears. There's a thread for this now.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It was cited as something she could exploit because of what Clarence Thomas said. It stinks to high heaven. This is even worse than her special master ruling - which was overturned - with a a very harsh rebuke. Aileen Cannon is biased. Plain and simple.
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Maybe she is biased but no more so than the NY judges in both of his cases there and the DC judge hearing the 1/6 case.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Oh, if they need to drag him out of there for an emergency... sure, they're actually trained to do just that.

Where the SS really failed here is just getting him off stage when the guy got up on the roof.... gun or no gun. It was impossible for anyone to physically get to that guy quickly at that point.

Just my take.
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Once a threat is recognized the SS should not move the principal off the stage. Trump should be moved to the closest secure position and be placed in a protective posture (to the platform of the stage and covered by the agents). Once the visible threat is eliminated a CAT (SWAT) will come out to scan for further threats and once they give the ok then you move to the vehicles. The agents have to anticipate multiple threats. You do not risk that the 1st sniper is a decoy and lead principal to the kill zone of an ambush.
 
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hog88 said:
Maybe she is biased but no more so than the NY judges in both of his cases there and the DC judge hearing the 1/6 case.
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www.lawfaremedia.org

11th Circuit Vacates Cannon’s Order to Appoint a Special Master in Mar-a-lago Investigation

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit ruled to reverse an order issued by U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon to appoint a special master to oversee the review
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^^^^ This ^^^^ is from when her appointment of a special master was overturned by the 11th Circuit Court. Her ruling today is even worse than that one was. The 11th Circuit Court will vacate another one of her Pro-Trump decisions. Judge Aileen Cannon is obviously biased in Trump's favor.
 
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