2024 Presidential Race

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whodeycin85 said:
This is the issue with voters like Luther...he admits it's not a policy issue with Trump but he doesn't like his personality, but yet will vote for a guy on video making racist remarks ( People have only said DJT said things), Biden imprisoned more minorities with his crime bills but people said DJT doesn't like minorities...Biden disrespect dallen soldiers by checking his watch on film while their bodies are carried by, but people said DJT said they were losers....DJT had an affair outside marriage, Biden showed inappropriately with his daughter...btw Stormy sign an affidavit saying it not true while Ashley has yet to refute her diary...but Trump is worse because he hurt people feelings... it's pathetic
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If Trump would have ran as a D and won the nomination Luther would have voted for him.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Printing more money and cosmetic steps about immigration aren't that much better than now.

Putting up a wall doesn't mean squat if you don't enforce existing verification laws. Of course, Trump wasn't going to piss off his agriculture and construction base to do that...

It's like Ds with gun control. They had their chance to do something and they chose not to do more than windowdressing...
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The wall is a short term temp fix, to then slow immigration till the right people to enforce them can be out in place or it can be redone...it your ship is sinking. In the middle of an ocean do you plug the holes or apply for a loan to get a new boat ?
 
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whodeycin85 said:
The wall is a short term temp fix, to then slow immigration till the right people to enforce them can be out in place or it can be redone...it your ship is sinking. In the middle of an ocean do you plug the holes or apply for a loan to get a new boat ?
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The wall is window dressing. Verification and no govt benefits would significantly curtail it. The R base wants the cheap labor and the Ds want the votes....
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
The wall is window dressing. Verification and no govt benefits would significantly curtail it. The R base wants the cheap labor and the Ds want the votes....
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I agree it's a temp fix to get the right people in enforcement...but you have to start somewhere and plugging a hole goes a hell of a further then firing someone thru bureaucratic process...plugs the whole then fix the issues..common sense
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I agree it's a temp fix to get the right people in enforcement...but you have to start somewhere and plugging a hole goes a hell of a further then firing someone thru bureaucratic process...plugs the whole then fix the issues..common sense
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No one wants to enforce, that's the issue. Ds want the votes, Rs want cheap labor and talking points

The only way immigration gets fixed is if immigrants become majority R voters.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
No one wants to enforce, that's the issue. Ds want the votes, Rs want cheap labor and talking points
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We agree...so how do you slow immigration if no one in enforcement wants to stop giving free stuff etc...you put up a wall......the great wall of China worked for quite a while and was effective...
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I highly doubt that a convicted felon is going to win the election in November ..... but that's beside the point here.

Were you being serious when you described that old, fat, disgusting, lard a$$ as being "fit and trim" ?????

REALLY ?????
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Yes he's lost a lot of weight and looks healthy.
 
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turbovol said:
All Americans should be unified around the idea that Trump should never hold public office again and probably should be in prison. We're talking about a man who tried to subvert an election and our democracy and incited an attack on the U.S. Capitol that resulted in several deaths. To say it was unprecedented would be a gross understatement. He is, additionally, a man who very strongly wants to appease America's strategic enemy and does not like our longtime democratic allies. Both make him a traitorous individual---not to mention his /deep-rooted/ corruption. He's an off-the-charts lowlife and anathema to America's political and constitutional foundations. And against that right-wingers want to point out that Biden shouldn't be president because he's a Democrat and he's old.

Oh, my!
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Biden is mentally and physically unfit to hold the office. The biggest issue is he is not running the executive branch but rather a bunch of unelected bureaucrats have taken it over. We should unify in opposition to that fact.
 
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hog88 said:
Voting for people you do not support is why we have had awful candidates the last several elections. Both parties know that there are enough people out there like you who will vote for who they are told to vote for.

Be a part of the solution for once and not the problem.
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That is totally absurd.
The opposite is more true.
But we've had this conversation multiple times; one more will not make a difference.

People not eliminating the worst candidate (especially in the primaries) is how we keep getting candidates who are worse.
 
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luthervol said:
That is totally absurd.
The opposite is more true.
But we've had this conversation multiple times; one more will not make a difference.

People not eliminating the worst candidate (especially in the primaries) is how we keep getting candidates who are worse.
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Unfortunately, it is a little more complex than even what you posts. For one, candidates change once they get in office (especially with time). Also, the more radicals on both sides tend to be more active in politics and therefore can drive their candidates better towards primary victories.
 
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turbovol said:
Meet our value system? Many of you are comical. What "values" does Trump represent? He doesn't like America's values--that's why he tried to subvert an election and lied to the American people for months. He doesn't value personal integrity, honesty, empathy. He doesn't value America's democratic foundation. He doesn't value our longtime allies. He values D. Trump. But he will try to sell MAGA bibles and gold tennis shoes to his nitwit base to help pay his huge legal values. He does value conning people who are not very astute.

Calling Trump "lackluster" makes me laugh. It's like someone describing Vlad Putin has "lackluster." I'm not suggesting that anyone love Biden, but he's run a very professional administration that in fact has accomplished a lot. Call him "lackluster," if you like. Conservatives don't like Democrats, and since Biden is a Dem many will simply not support him. Fine. But when you and many others try to lump Biden with Trump--pretend there's no difference between the two---you simply aren't thinking very well.

What's truly astounding is that many conservatives--and I think this is more true of southern and rural conservatives than anyone else--don't seem to have any grasp of how truly dangerous and corrupt and traitorous Trump is. Either they don't get it--or they don't want to get it; don't want to acknowledge it, because they don't like Dems. It's rather scary. Liz Cheney and Romney and many Republicans/conservatives who value America's democracy and its traditions and its allies, and who dislike abject corruption--get it. They put country before party politics. But a lot of conservatives are frighteningly misguided and clouded when it comes to the gangster.
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I will bite for once. I know you really don't read people's posts and tend to have your mind made up but here we go.

For one, the Democrats rely on this idea that they are "better" and stand for the "better" values and "unity" but rarely live up to it. Trump has been pretty open about his flaws from day one while your camp denies them often and is even hypocritical about hiding it.

What is worse, someone who is bad but openly admits their flaws or someone who is bad but is in denial of their wrongs?

The fact that the media has constantly tried to de-emphasize or coverup the wrongs of the Democrats only to come off with egg in their face while at the same time amplified, exaggerate, or outright lie about Trump's flaws and got egg on their face is telling as well. As people on this board point out, you often post articles that end up being a lie or wrong showing that you have faith in a media that is constantly wrong about everything and biased.

Definitely, Trump has major value issues with the questionable business practices (keep in mind nothing has been proved in court yet), adultery/affairs, mockery of Christianity (Trump Bible), etc. So yes, I have issues with Trump.

However, one major outlook of the Democrats that I don't buy is how we look at History. I often look back at our ancestors and see people that sacrificed to get us to where we are today. People that are often more "right" about issues than people today. I don't write them off as racists or outdated as you do.

I feel that there is a lot we can look to from generations in the past going all the way back to even Ancient Egypt and Syria. I embrace Roman, Jewish, Medieval European, British, French, Christendom, and even modern USA history as my own, both bad and good. I am also not stupid enough to see that if it wasn't for the sacrifices of our ancestors crossing the sea, clearing out colonial towns, going West into the Frontier, battle disease, animals, natives, etc. for survival, industrializing, and developing into today, we wouldn't be here. I see the value of Christianity and its moral principles as the core of our Civilization and people that allowed us to be where we are today and get through these many difficult times of the past. I see the sacrifices of the early 20th Century from my Great Grandparents and Grandparents surviving WW1, Depression, and WW2.

Where there bad behavior in the past? Sure. However, a lot of good came from it as well. However, you write off stuff like man and woman being the core of marriage, Christian values, Patriotism, etc.

I think are constant questioning of our historical, core principles have gotten us into the spot we are in today. The more that happens, the more that I figure out that the average American in 1920, 1820, or Medieval Knight in the 12th Century was in, many ways, wiser than people today (notable the so called Academic geniuses who keep pushing values that steer us off the cliff).

The best part about Trump is that people like you created him and empowered him and you know it.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Which candidate did you get behind this primary cycle?
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The way I was in the general (anybody but Trump), is the way I was in the primary (practically anybody but Biden).
I voted in the republican primary. There was never a viable alternative in the democratic primary.
But I would be happy for Biden to be replaced on the ticket by anyone 60 are younger.
 
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luthervol said:
The way I was in the general (anybody but Trump), is the way I was in the primary (practically anybody but Biden).
I voted in the republican primary. There was never a viable alternative in the democratic primary.
But I would be happy for Biden to be replaced on the ticket by anyone 60 are younger.
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Luther, thanks for opening up.
 
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luthervol said:
The way I was in the general (anybody but Trump), is the way I was in the primary (practically anybody but Biden).
I voted in the republican primary. There was never a viable alternative in the democratic primary.
But I would be happy for Biden to be replaced on the ticket by anyone 60 are younger.
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So Biden was the best candidate? You didn’t think Phillips would do a better job than someone is almost brain dead?
 
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DC_Vol said:
So Biden was the best candidate? You didn’t think Phillips would do a better job than someone is almost brain dead?
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Where in the world did I say Biden was the best candidate?
I said there was never a viable alternative for me to select..........so I voted in the republican primary.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Wasn’t she the one who was telling Democrats to harass Republicans in public? To get in their faces and make a scene?
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Yep.
The video was deleted by the mods because the comments attached to it had the F bomb. I’m gonna try and find it without it
 
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