War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Not to mention that the reason that the Russians have been moving "slowly" and helping to feed the false narrative that it is a "stalemate" is because they are trying to protect their own men and would rather let the Ukrainians worry about winning territory and run these offensives, while they annihilate the Kyiv regime forces running into their long range artillery and FPV nuisances.

These people will learn (if they don't know by now) that Russia is not concerned about winning territory and PR victories. They're about "demilitarization". Take men and machines off the battlefields and the territory will come later. NATO and Kyiv have all of the clocks, but Russia has all of the time.
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if Russia had air superiority, a significant artillery or drone advantage, or real armor, they could absolutely do both, take land and take tons of weapons and men out of the fight. Encirclements are far far better tactics to remove both men and equipment than slow attrition. It also minimizes your exposure to return damage.

There is a reason modern war went away from WW1 tactics, its incredibly bloody for both sides, winner or loser. You grind a diamond against enough sandstone and the diamond wears down too. Russia certainly isn't a diamond in this case and is suffering from the grind more than they would from encirclements if they could manage them.

Like imagine if Russia had been able to pincer shut around Advika in the closing days instead of letting the Ukraine forces go from several thousand to several hundred. That many more Ukrainians and equipment would already be out of the fight. instead those same men and equipment can return to fight Russia another day. That much less time too for Ukraine to shoot back. it would also cause mass confusion, hard to keep track of where the enemy is in the best of times, yet alone when he is actively pushing you back. and it would also keep the Ukrainians from preparing the next line of defenses which would make any further attacks that much easier and safer for the Russians.

Russia is moving slow because that is all they can manage, not because its some grand masterful Sun Tzu 5d chess move you want to believe it is.
 
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volgr said:
What does that have to do with anything? Ukraine had a 2020 population of roughly 40 million. How many fighting age men can they draw from? 2.5-5 million?
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You don't comprehend the fact that reality doesn't reflect your nonsensical belief that Russia has lost next to no soldiers, while Ukraine is supposed to have lost more soldiers than they actually have combat troops?

Color me wholly unsurprised.
 
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volgr said:
The West has been coordinating attempted terror attacks for months. We seem to be getting close to an inflection point, either a) the US starts backing away from this mess and blame it on Republicans or b) a major escalation may be coming. Ukraine front lines seem to be deteriorating quickly and their current draft efforts arent hitting needed man power goals
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when is this major escalation going to be coming?

You guys have been predicting this from day 1. The Ukrainian missiles killing some Poles, the invasion of western Ukraine, the invasion of Transnistria, nukes from NATO, even the grain deal was going to be Western Ships enforcing a blockade. none of it has turned up. at some point you guys have to admit its just fear mongering being used to justify bs.
 
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loggervol said:
It must not be to bad. I saw a video of a rocket hitting a building and there were people out jogging when it hit. Besides soldiers, who goes for a run with a war going on.?
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people who have been living with it for 2 years. The Brits during the Blitz. or pretty much any of the major sieges in Russia during WW2, St. Petersburg, Moscow, only Stalingrad was desperate enough to draft everyone.

you can bunker for a few days, maybe weeks. but at some point you have to just go on about your life in whatever form that allows.
 
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LouderVol said:
when is this major escalation going to be coming?

You guys have been predicting this from day 1. The Ukrainian missiles killing some Poles, the invasion of western Ukraine, the invasion of Transnistria, nukes from NATO, even the grain deal was going to be Western Ships enforcing a blockade. none of it has turned up. at some point you guys have to admit its just fear mongering being used to justify bs.
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True, the west is lucky Putin has shown patience and restraint. I dont see an escalation as probable as I do the West slowly backing away from this mess. Especially if they think Trump is likely to win in November.
 
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BeardedVol said:
You don't comprehend the fact that reality doesn't reflect your nonsensical belief that Russia has lost next to no soldiers, while Ukraine is supposed to have lost more soldiers than they actually have combat troops?

Color me wholly unsurprised.
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Where have I said Russia has lost next to no troops? They have lost plenty but orders of magnitude less than Ukraine.

Have you not seen the many the videos over the last year of Ukrainians being grabbed off the street? Yeah, most of their trained troops are gone, anyone who isnt a western propagandist readily admits this. Now they are down to poorly trained troops who have been grabbed off the streets. Which is why you are now seeing Russia make significant gains along the line of contact.
 
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volgr said:
True, the west is lucky Putin has shown patience and restraint. I dont see an escalation as probable as I do the West slowly backing away from this mess. Especially if they think Trump is likely to win in November.
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too bad you didn't include that more probably option in your previous post. I wonder why...

and what should the west be glad Putin is patient about?
The eastward expansion of NATO?
Russia losing a good chunk of the reason for a war with the losses of the Black Sea fleet?
The two years of prep time for the west? however slow you think the west would be in manufacturing in response to a large war we are two years further along than we would have been otherwise.
 
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volgr said:
Where have I said Russia has lost next to no troops? They have lost plenty but orders of magnitude less than Ukraine.

Have you not seen the many the videos over the last year of Ukrainians being grabbed off the street? Yeah, most of their trained troops are gone, anyone who isnt a western propagandist readily admits this. Now they are down to poorly trained troops who have been grabbed off the streets. Which is why you are now seeing Russia make significant gains along the line of contact.
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What are your thoughts on Russian casualties, including LPR and DPR forces? I would say 5-7k.
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volgr said:
Well, so much for those Severo "gainzzzz". The more interesting piece of this, to me, is how Russia handles Lysychansk. It has to be done relatively quickly or Ukraine will have a field day reigning down (Lysy is up on higher terrain) arty on Severo. Taking Lysychansk isnt going to be easy and will likely cost the Russians dearly to do so. (unlike the media portrayal of massive Russian casualties, its actually been the opposite in most of these battles)
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volgr said:
They are the ones in control over there, it will last as long as they want and be fought at the pace they want.

Edit to add: Ukraine is losing close to 10:1 in casualties, if not more right now and their equipment is being taken out in the same fashion. Russia's goal of demilitarization of Ukraine is being waged quite impressively.
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volgr said:
It is always confession through projection with you guys. It is much more likely that Ukraine has suffered 360k casualties, which is very close to my 400k number.
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volgr said:
Looking at estimating casualties, Russia/Allies have lost around 18-24k. Ukraine has lost around 80-100k.
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volgr said:
Russia could have taken out Zelensky, as they could at any time over this conflict...
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I wonder what has kept him from doing it? Could it be because there may be some unpredictable responses for taking out a head of state? Even if it's one in whose country you are conducting a military operation. This would be entirely different than murdering political rivals and your own citizens.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
I wonder what has kept him from doing it? Could it be because there may be some unpredictable responses for taking out a head of state? Even if it's one in whose country you are conducting a military operation. This would be entirely different than murdering political rivals and your own citizens.
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PM of Greece was there.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
I wonder what has kept him from doing it? Could it be because there may be some unpredictable responses for taking out a head of state? Even if it's one in whose country you are conducting a military operation. This would be entirely different than murdering political rivals and your own citizens.
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I think the tweet had it right, the cokehead moron is the West's problem now. Also, until the West releases Ukraine as their proxy, taking out Zelensky would just result in another Western Death Cult puppet being installed.
 
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volgr said:
I think the tweet had it right, the cokehead moron is the West's problem now. Also, until the West releases Ukraine as their proxy, taking out Zelensky would just result in another Western Death Cult puppet being installed.
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ah yes it will be so much better for the slaves, I mean slavs, of Ukraine to have an Eastern Death Cult leader bought and paid for by Russia in charge.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
Volgr said they could take him out anytime they wanted. Either they can't or they're unsure of the consequences.
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They probably could, at least in that area of the world..... But that would then mean Putin is fair game as well. Putin knows as much. That's why he hasn't, plain and simple.
 
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Interesting trends here. Looks like Russia has burned through it's older tanks and is now increasingly relying on T-80s and T-90s, which are still crap and dated.

 
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