War in Ukraine

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volgr said:
When have I used Russian numbers for casualty figures? I have said the opposite. You can't trust either side's numbers.

I can count on one hand where I have used Russian media in this thread that is almost 2 years old now.

You are just making crap up, as usual.

Also, you didn't answer, where did the claim that Ukraine shot down 10 Russian planes in 10 days come from?
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Okay, then what exactly do you use for your claims? I’ve for sure seen you make claims about Ukrainian and Russian casualties that are far, far outside of the mainstream narrative.

My bad for assuming you were basing it on Russian media, but can you provide your source?
 
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volgr said:
7:1 is being generous to Ukraine. I take no pleasure in that number because I am not in a death cult like most of you. I called for peaceful negotiations at the start of the Russian special military operation. Hell, even Russia offered multiple peace negotiations early on.
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Here’s a very specific example. You claim a 7:1 disparity in casualties in favor of Russia. I assumed your source for that was Russian media.

Can you tell me your source?
 
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volgr said:
What a bunch of idiocy.

Ukraine is losing badly. Ukraine was always going to lose badly. This infusion of a few billion will make zero difference in the end, just like all the other previous payments. All it does is prolong the Ukrainian slaughter and suffering while enriching western interests.

Unless Western boots are put into Ukraine, Ukraine is lost. Period. End of story.

Anyone calling for more Ukraine aid to keep this slaughter going, is evil.
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Curious outlook, comrade.

Over the course of the past 12 months, Russia has gained roughly NET-ZERO square miles during its unprovoked invasion.

By the Pentagon's estimates, Russia has incurred around 360,000 casualties.

Seems the slaughter has been the Russians getting slaughtered.

Hopefully your husband wasn't involved in one of those "meat assaults" where 75% of the Russians get KIA'd.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Here’s a very specific example. You claim a 7:1 disparity in casualties in favor of Russia. I assumed your source for that was Russian media.

Can you tell me your source?
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Why do YOU think it isn't 7:1 or even a more modest 4:1? No one really knows and no one will know. So, instead of arguing over which source is best, which is gay, let's just discuss.
 
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volgr said:
Why do YOU think it isn't 7:1 or even a more modest 4:1? No one really knows and no one will know. So, instead of arguing over which source is best, which is gay, let's just discuss.
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Once again, I’m going off what the free press reports. I can find those reports if you’re curious, but I know they’ve been posted here by others already and you’ve already called it wrong.

So we come back to the original question: why do you believe Russian owned media over the free press?
 
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MontyPython said:
Avdiivka was lost by Ukraine primarily due to a huge influx of glide bombs by Russian fighters. They finally figured out that they could simply overwhelm Ukrainian defenses by focusing their attacks on one small area.

Expect the Russians to attempt this same tactic elsewhere.

On the flip side, Ukraine now is receiving glide bombs of its own, but but but, until when and if the US gives Ukraine much needed replacement Patriot missiles, they'll continue to be on their back foot.

We can ensure Ukraine wins this war, but by all accounts, our political will simply isn't there... For now.
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the will is there, break support off from new boarder bill (or any other riders) that is not needed and show some accountability.
 
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MontyPython said:
By the Pentagon's estimates, Russia has incurred around 360,000 casualties.
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If that were true, Ukraine would be making huge gains in territory but they aren't, they are losing more and more each day.

If that were true, Ukraine would have the 7:1 shell advantage, not Russia.

It is always confession through projection with you guys. It is much more likely that Ukraine has suffered 360k casualties, which is very close to my 400k number.

As always, Monty, thanks for the laugh. Still get a good chuckle thinking about you creaming your pants over the switchblade drone and every post was that it was a game changer. Lol
 
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volgr said:
If that were true, Ukraine would be making huge gains in territory but they aren't, they are losing more and more each day.

If that were true, Ukraine would have the 7:1 shell advantage, not Russia.

It is always confession through projection with you guys. It is much more likely that Ukraine has suffered 360k casualties, which is very close to my 400k number.

As always, Monty, thanks for the laugh. Still get a good chuckle thinking about you creaming your pants over the switchblade drone and every post was that it was a game changer. Lol
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Where does your 7:1 number come from….idk how many different ways I can ask that at this point
 
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Vol8188 said:
Once again, I’m going off what the free press reports. I can find those reports if you’re curious, but I know they’ve been posted here by others already and you’ve already called it wrong.

So we come back to the original question: why do you believe Russian owned media over the free press?
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So you don't know why the 7:1 number is wrong except the fact American mainstream press isn't reporting it?
 
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volgr said:
So you don't know why the 7:1 number is wrong except the fact American mainstream press isn't reporting it?
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I know what the press is reporting. I’m asking you very directly why you don’t believe them and why you believe Russian state owned media.

You’re still ignoring the question.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Where does your 7:1 number come from….idk how many different ways I can ask that at this point
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It comes from an amalgamation of sources including what seems to be happening on the battlefield. Again, arguing sources is gay. Why do YOU, not some flunky at WaPo regurgitating Pentagon talking points, why do YOU think it isn't 7:1 or even 4:1?
 
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volgr said:
It comes from an amalgamation of sources including what seems to be happening on the battlefield. Again, arguing sources is gay. Why do YOU, not some flunky at WaPo regurgitating Pentagon talking points, why do YOU think it isn't 7:1 or even 4:1?
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So you have no source you can provide?

Let’s remove the Washington Post. Why do you consider the Russian government a better source than the US government or any Western European govenrment?

Because the Ukrainian population, unlike the Russian population, couldn’t sustain 300-400k casualties like you’re attempting to claim. If that were true this war would be over already.
 
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volgr said:
It comes from an amalgamation of sources including what seems to be happening on the battlefield. Again, arguing sources is gay. Why do YOU, not some flunky at WaPo regurgitating Pentagon talking points, why do YOU think it isn't 7:1 or even 4:1?
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LOL, what is "gay" is someone defending Russia over the USA or NATO.

It was kind of like that Neo-Nazi march in Nashville the previous weekend. Our ancestors fought and died to defeat Nazi Germany.
 
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volbound1700 said:
LOL, what is "gay" is someone defending Russia over the USA or NATO.

It was kind of like that Neo-Nazi march in Nashville the previous weekend. Our ancestors fought and died to defeat Nazi Germany.
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What does that have to do with anything? Good job working Nazi's into your post though.

The pro-western death cultists aren't sending their best today.
 
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volbound1700 said:
LOL, what is "gay" is someone defending Russia over the USA or NATO.

It was kind of like that Neo-Nazi march in Nashville the previous weekend. Our ancestors fought and died to defeat Nazi Germany.
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An unfortunate side effect of the anonymity provided by social media. Zero chance the ruskis in here would ever say in public what they feel emboldened to say under the cover of the internet.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why do you consider the Russian government a better source than the US government or any Western European govenrment?

Because the Ukrainian population, unlike the Russian population, couldn’t sustain 300-400k casualties like you’re attempting to claim. If that were true this war would be over already.
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I don't consider either source to be reliable. Although if you were to force me to choose, I'd have to go Russia. Their casualty numbers are more realistic whereas the Pentagon's are laughable. They aren't even trying.

Of course the Ukraine population could handle 400k deaths (and likely double that hurt/maimed). This is why, now, you are seeing Russia rather easily take heavily fortified positions like Avdiivka. They are slowly pushing the whole line forward. Ukraine largely has barely trained men/women at the front. It is an absolute slaughter.

Ukraine's last gasp hail mary was their failed counter. That was it. They are done.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
An unfortunate side effect of the anonymity provided by social media. Zero chance the ruskis in here would ever say in public what they feel emboldened to say under the cover of the internet.
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I'm not a "ruskis". Was I a Muslim when I called out the US lying us into another mid-east war?

Goodness gracious.
 
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volgr said:
It comes from an amalgamation of sources including what seems to be happening on the battlefield. Again, arguing sources is gay. Why do YOU, not some flunky at WaPo regurgitating Pentagon talking points, why do YOU think it isn't 7:1 or even 4:1?
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because Russia hasn't been able to establish air dominance. Russia has also been fighting a war of attrition, that sword cuts both ways.

the only time we have seen kill ratios like that in history favoring the attacker is when they have had huge advantages in technology, and can make huge gains in short times. in this case the Ukrainians are armed with mostly the same stuff as the Russians from the old soviet days, or have western equivalents. Air, and navy, would be the two places Russia should be completely dominating Ukraine as they pretty much had none of either at the start. but we have seen Russia take some pretty serious losses in both. so its logical to think if Ukraine is causing significant losses in theatres they have NO resources in they are at least holding their own in the one theatre they do have assets in.

the artillery balance has changed multiple times throughout the war. Russia was using t55s as artillery pieces for a while because of the damage. now they have the advantage but it hasn't been one sided this whole time.

you are making an extraordinary claim, that requires some type of evidence beyond your feels. much more than 1:1 losses would be really really good in this type of war. trying to claim even 4:1 in this type of war is literally unheard of, and comes across as straight up propaganda.

and Russia is talking about their air losses. doubt even you can claim pravda as a western shill, but I am sure you will try. the article contains links to at least some of the losses, not just the quotes from the Ukrainian.
www.pravda.com.ua

Russia will be forced to stop round-the-clock duty of A-50 planes if another one is lost – Chief of Ukraine’s Defence Intelligence

Kyrylo Budanov, head of Ukraine’s Defence Intelligence, explained that there are only six A-50 aircraft left in Russia, and if another one is lost, the Russian military will be unable to operate them continuously.
www.pravda.com.ua www.pravda.com.ua
 
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volgr said:
I don't consider either source to be reliable. Although if you were to force me to choose, I'd have to go Russia. Their casualty numbers are more realistic whereas the Pentagon's are laughable. They aren't even trying.

Of course the Ukraine population could handle 400k deaths (and likely double that hurt/maimed). This is why, now, you are seeing Russia rather easily take heavily fortified positions like Avdiivka. They are slowly pushing the whole line forward. Ukraine largely has barely trained men/women at the front. It is an absolute slaughter.

Ukraine's last gasp hail mary was their failed counter. That was it. They are done.
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rather easily? It took them months to take Avdiivka.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The West doesn't have the boots.


A lot of evil warmongers in here.
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I mean theoretically they do have the boots but the American public doesn't have the appetite to see tens of thousands of flag draped coffins come back home, having died in Ukrainian trench warfare with Russia.
 
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