War in Ukraine

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volgr said:
The 7:1 Russia k/d aside, the fact Ukraine hasnt found their way to the first of Russia's 3 defensive zones aside...Russia is already rebuilding and holding elections in some liberated areas.

They have won. The only uncertainty at this point is how much more land they will liberate.
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Check up a few posts Larry. Womp womp 🤡
 
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volgr said:
The 7:1 Russia k/d aside, the fact Ukraine hasnt found their way to the first of Russia's 3 defensive zones aside...Russia is already rebuilding and holding elections in some liberated areas.

They have won. The only uncertainty at this point is how much more land they will liberate.
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Lol, now back in reality.
 
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evillawyer said:
I love how you cite this article approvingly, when it notes (1) that Russia is being forced to used old, dumb Soviet era bombs, (2) the reason they're hard to intercept is because they're in the air for such a short time, which is because ... (3) Russians have to risk their planes being shot down in order to use them by flying almost directly over the target, and (4) they're not accurate, but the Russians don't give a sh*t because they don't care about collateral damage.

But your lads are gonna win this thing, right?
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I assumed he was smart enough to understand you’d just shoot down the attacking aircraft prior to drop but it’s probably more likely he isn’t. The article mentions guided glide bomb conversion kits like our JDAMS which I assumed he was referring to. But there is no evidence to date he’s capable of making the distinction
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So let me get this straight. The Patriots can knockout Russian hypersonics like their nothing, but these slower graviity bombs are "particularly vexing"??? Make it make sense...

www.businessinsider.com

Why Ukraine's Patriot missile systems can't cope with Russia's old, iron bombs

The US Patriot surface-to-air missile system was not designed to combat vintage Russian bombs, military experts say.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com

Oleksiy Melnyk, from the Kyiv-based think tank Razumkov Center, said that combatting air-dropped bombs was "particularly vexing" for Ukraine.

Hi-tech air defense missiles are designed to strike more lightweight targets and are ill-equipped to counter the bombs' old, heavy iron construction. The bombs' dense build and Russia's ample stocks are a significant problem for Ukraine, he said. The powerful bombs can weigh from 1,100 to 2,200 pounds.
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You do understand the missiles are designed to shoot down the planes carrying bombs and not the bombs themselves?
 
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volgr said:
The 7:1 Russia k/d aside, the fact Ukraine hasnt found their way to the first of Russia's 3 defensive zones aside...Russia is already rebuilding and holding elections in some liberated areas.

They have won. The only uncertainty at this point is how much more land they will liberate.
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Why are they moving backward?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Let's roll with that, why are they not able to shoot down these Russian bombers then?
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Who is to say they aren’t Moe? Your article listed two mechanisms for the bombs. One being just iron bombs dropped. I’ve seen next to no reports illustrating your orc buddies bombing playgrounds and apartment buildings with iron bombs rather their chosen weapon of choice is the cruise missile or drone. The other mechanism is the glide bomb conversion kit which I thought you were intelligent enough to reference (my bad). The glide bomb puts the release point back in safer airspace just like the US JDAM release. In that case the air defense still won’t blow up the bomb after a successful intercept due to the dense casing. The bomb won’t hit its intended playground target though it will probably find another playground or apartment building to hit as its now unguided.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Let's roll with that, why are they not able to shoot down these Russian bombers then?
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That depends on a lot of variables and one invariable - the earth is round. The variables are things like where the target is in relation to where missile sites are located, height of the plane carrying the bombs, etc. Nobody is flying high over Ukraine unless they have a death wish, so a real bombing run with dumb bombs will pretty much be low level. Radar isn't great at low level - wouldn't be even if the earth were flat. The chances of being in the right place at the right time with air defense missiles for a low level bombing attack is slim ... unless you are the target. There are the technical issues like detection time, friend or foe identification (rules of engagement aren't user friendly), launch time, missile tracking and arming times. Few of us even if we have past experience know those numbers; other than to say "It ain't easy"

Note this plane dropping bombs - the size of the bombs in relation to the plane and the number of bombs. Oh, yeah, the bombs don't have engines - so heat tracking doesn't work and the radar cross section is really small - doesn't take much time to hit the ground from this altitude either. Note the drag tails on the bombs to give the aircraft separation from the explosions, so the plane doesn't become a victim of it's own bombs. It's reasons like this and the casings that bombs aren't targeted with missiles. War is a trade off between what can be done and what can't be done; nothing on offense or defense is perfect.

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AM64 said:
That depends on a lot of variables and one invariable - the earth is round. The variables are things like where the target is in relation to where missile sites are located, height of the plane carrying the bombs, etc. Nobody is flying high over Ukraine unless they have a death wish, so a real bombing run with dumb bombs will pretty much be low level. Radar isn't great at low level - wouldn't be even if the earth were flat. The chances of being in the right place at the right time with air defense missiles for a low level bombing attack is slim ... unless you are the target. There are the technical issues like detection time, friend or foe identification (rules of engagement aren't user friendly), launch time, missile tracking and arming times. Few of us even if we have past experience know those numbers; other than to say "It ain't easy"

Note this plane dropping bombs - the size of the bombs in relation to the plane and the number of bombs. Oh, yeah, the bombs don't have engines - so heat tracking doesn't work and the radar cross section is really small - doesn't take much time to hit the ground from this altitude either. Note the drag tails on the bombs to give the aircraft separation from the explosions, so the plane doesn't become a victim of it's own bombs. It's reasons like this and the casings that bombs aren't targeted with missiles. War is a trade off between what can be done and what can't be done; nothing on offense or defense is perfect.

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Dude... just stop. No amount of mental gymnastics can explain how it is easier for the Patriots to shoot down hypersonic missiles and planes, but not gravity bombs. Your coping and gaslighting.
 
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AM64 said:
That depends on a lot of variables and one invariable - the earth is round. The variables are things like where the target is in relation to where missile sites are located, height of the plane carrying the bombs, etc. Nobody is flying high over Ukraine unless they have a death wish, so a real bombing run with dumb bombs will pretty much be low level. Radar isn't great at low level - wouldn't be even if the earth were flat. The chances of being in the right place at the right time with air defense missiles for a low level bombing attack is slim ... unless you are the target. There are the technical issues like detection time, friend or foe identification (rules of engagement aren't user friendly), launch time, missile tracking and arming times. Few of us even if we have past experience know those numbers; other than to say "It ain't easy"

Note this plane dropping bombs - the size of the bombs in relation to the plane and the number of bombs. Oh, yeah, the bombs don't have engines - so heat tracking doesn't work and the radar cross section is really small - doesn't take much time to hit the ground from this altitude either. Note the drag tails on the bombs to give the aircraft separation from the explosions, so the plane doesn't become a victim of it's own bombs. It's reasons like this and the casings that bombs aren't targeted with missiles. War is a trade off between what can be done and what can't be done; nothing on offense or defense is perfect.

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This is from March of last year. Our rezident chief clown is fapping over a red herring. The orcs aren’t doing accurate iron bomb drops they’re hanging back and lobbing glide bombs with guidance or just lobbing unguided bombs from long distance since they don’t care about civilian casualties.

www.defenseone.com

Russian Jets Flying 200 Sorties a Day, But Firing from Their Own Airspace, Pentagon Says

Ukraine is also being conservative with its airpower.
www.defenseone.com www.defenseone.com
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Dude... just stop. No amount of mental gymnastics can explain how it is easier for the Patriots to shoot down hypersonic missiles and planes, but not gravity bombs. Your coping and gaslighting.
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And here is the latest attempt to push an attack mode that just isn’t happening 😂🤡

Also: you’re*
 
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AM64 said:
And you don't understand - don't want to understand.
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There is nothing more to understand. If the Patriots can't stop gravity bombs, there is no way they can defend against hypersonic Kinzhals or even Kalibr missiles... especially if they are flying in a non-ballistic pattern.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
There is nothing more to understand. If the Patriots can't stop gravity bombs, there is no way they can defend against hypersonic Kinzhals or even Kalibr missiles... especially if they are flying in a non-ballistic pattern.
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This is such a misleading representation of the link you posted. And you posting it over and over doesn’t make it any more convincing.

There is zero data showing orc pilots doing accurate close in iron bomb drops. Rather they stay in safe airspace and lob them indiscriminately since they don’t care what they hit.

And your link even stated how the cruise missiles are a softer target for the intercept than an iron bomb due to the weapon casing Moe. You’re the clown doing the gaslighting here 🤡
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
This is such a misleading representation of the link you posted. And you posting it over and over doesn’t make it any more convincing.

There is zero data showing orc pilots doing accurate close in iron bomb drops. Rather they stay in safe airspace and lob them indiscriminately since they don’t care what they hit.

And your link even stated how the cruise missiles are a softer target for the intercept than an iron bomb due to the weapon casing Moe. You’re the clown doing the gaslighting here 🤡
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I love how he thinks WWII era bombs are some sort of wunderwaffe.

I'm guessing the Patriots would also not be great at taking out catapulted cows. Maybe he also thinks that's a Patriot-eluding weapon too.

 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
There is nothing more to understand. If the Patriots can't stop gravity bombs, there is no way they can defend against hypersonic Kinzhals or even Kalibr missiles... especially if they are flying in a non-ballistic pattern.
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Also neither Kinzhal or Kalibr maneuver to defend rather they do preprogrammed course changes so as to try and hide their final impact point. It’s entirely predictable and why Patriot is effective against them. Womp Womp.
 
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evillawyer said:
I love how he thinks WWII era bombs are some sort of wunderwaffe.
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It’s an incredibly stupid narrative and there is zero data to support it actually occurring on any regular basis. The orc pilots that want to survive lob in their ordinance from the safety of orc airspace.
 
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