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Orangeburst said:
Our IC are trash. They lie about everything and even tried to subvert his office. Fact.
They even lied abut spying on us, Iraq, what else?
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Let's examine the logic here ...

It's basically :

We can't trust our intelligence community, so let's trust Vladimir Putin, and publicly take his side.

Yeah. That makes perfect sense.
 
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Let's change the narrative. What good has come out of Biden's term? CHIPS act about does it for me.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I'm not convincing them of anything. I just want to know what Trump policies would have deterred the invasion and what they think Trump would have done had it happened on his watch.
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He'd have said it wasn't really an invasion and that Putin assured him of that and he believes it.

Even a year or so later.
 
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Orangeburst said:
FBI Whistleblower Claims Agency Forced Him To Juice Domestic Terrorism Numbers

So the IC lied about Hunter's laptop, domestic terrorism.
Blinken was even involved. Oh my. Disinformation that some eat up as much as Tucker's commentary.
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In your fervor to come to Trump's defense, you are missing a key component of this situation :

As President of the United States, in December of 2020, Donald Trump publicly sided with the denial of an authoritarian ruler over the conclusions of his own hand-picked Secretary of State (Mike Pompeo,) and Attorney General (William Barr).

Barr sides with Pompeo over Trump that SolarWinds hack 'appears to be the Russians'

This was an extraordinary moment. If we had a Secretary of State and an Attorney General, who were less trustworthy than Vladimir Putin .... Whose fault would that have been? Trump picked them both. They were his guys.
 
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hog88 said:
My best guess would be Trumps unpredictable nature but I can’t say for certain.
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Seems like a very speculative argument.

Edit: do you think putin would have been afraid Trump would put boots on the ground or planes in the air? Is that the unpredictableness you're assuming? That seems like the antithesis of trumps foreign policy doctrine and that of many of those who think Trump would have prevented this.
 
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I don't know that I've heard that Trump has ever been asked, squarely, what would you have done differently and what would you do now? Not surpring he's managed to avoid it so far given who he interviews with. But in time he'll have to answer it.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Seems like a very speculative argument.

Edit: do you think putin would have been afraid Trump would put boots on the ground or planes in the air? Is that the unpredictableness you're assuming? That seems like the antithesis of trumps foreign policy doctrine and that of many of those who think Trump would have prevented this.
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IDK. All I know if Putin didn’t invade while Trump was in office.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Seems like a very speculative argument.

Edit: do you think putin would have been afraid Trump would put boots on the ground or planes in the air? Is that the unpredictableness you're assuming? That seems like the antithesis of trumps foreign policy doctrine and that of many of those who think Trump would have prevented this.
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Donald Trump was a non-interventionist, who was especially averse to friction with Russia. Hell ... Trump would have probably blamed Russia's further incursion into the Ukraine on China.
 
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hog88 said:
IDK. All I know if Putin didn’t invade while Trump was in office.
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To simplify matters, are you aware of any foreign policy doctrine/principal put forward by trump that would have been a deterrent to the Russian invasion of Ukraine? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Edit: do you have any examples of Trump making policy statements that would lend one to believe he would have gotten involved if Russia invaded Ukraine on his watch?
 
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Diplomacy is obviously something this administration doesn't handle well. We will never know if it would of prevented war.
Remember when the Pentagon generals lied to Trump about number of troops in Syria? Remember when Schumer said the IC has 6 ways to Sunday for retribution?
Fact is the Biden admin is screwing around in Sudan, Obama's Arab Spring. Neo Libs.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
To simplify matters, are you aware of any foreign policy doctrine/principal put forward by trump that would have been a deterrent to the Russian invasion of Ukraine? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Edit: do you have any examples of Trump making policy statements that would lend one to believe he would have gotten involved if Russia invaded Ukraine on his watch?
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How many times do I have to say no?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't know that I've heard that Trump has ever been asked, squarely, what would you have done differently and what would you do now? Not surpring he's managed to avoid it so far given who he interviews with. But in time he'll have to answer it.
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The only answer will ever be : "Russia would have never invaded while I was in office."

All we can do is speculate ... but there is nothing on the public record concerning Trump's foreign policy philosophy, which would indicate that he would have even taken the limited measures that Biden has. I believe that the Russians were waiting for what they were hoping would be Trump's 2nd term to advance further into Ukraine. With no election left to serve as a check on his decisions, Trump would be free to just let the Ukraine go - and I don't think we would have ever sent them any aide whatsoever.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The only answer will ever be : "Russia would have never invaded while I was in office."

All we can do is speculate ... but there is nothing on the public record concerning Trump's foreign policy philosophy, which would indicate that he would have even taken the limited measures that Biden has. I believe that the Russians were waiting for what they were hoping would be Trump's 2nd term to advance further into Ukraine. With no election left to serve as a check on his decisions, Trump would be free to just let the Ukraine go - and I don't think we would have ever sent them any aide whatsoever.
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Who said that? Post it!
 
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lawgator1 said:
He'd have said it wasn't really an invasion and that Putin assured him of that and he believes it.

Even a year or so later.
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wasn’t it Joe Biden that said our response to Putin would depend on „how severe of an incursion“ they made into Ukraine? I think you need to sit this one out.
 
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Orangeburst said:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/16/her...tough-on-russia--and-where-hes-backed-do.html
Trump Adds to Sanctions on Russia Over SkripalsThe New York Timeshttps://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics
Sanctions by the Numbers: Spotlight on Russia
Trump blocks Putin’s pipeline with US sanctions
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Are you actually reading these?

They emphasize how reluctant Trump was to impose sanctions on Russia. He would only do so under extreme pressure from Republicans in Congress ... and when he had no choice, because a sanctions bill had passed through Congress with a veto-proof majority support. Even then, he denounced the sanctions, and took for ever to have them implemented.
 
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